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hello everyone first of all and that is

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a week or two so and I did not do that

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glitch on purpose just to let everyone

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know but you know I try to do a good

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I have never I was saying to Alejandro

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of people that we know on TV

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unbelievable so it's been real exciting

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the most exciting week in ufology since

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and so we're gonna be talking all about

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and Kevin Randall's gonna he's gonna

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that's est and he's going to be talking

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reporting UFOs and and he's following

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this very closely as well and then our

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say hello to all the great people over

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there there's a lot of listeners and I I

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that's why there's so many people still

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alejandro welcome to the show how are

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you thank you I am tired I'm beat right

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now especially today it's been wild and

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crazy this this whole week of course

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it's been pretty crazy but it has now if

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I know that my emails going crazy yours

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you just must have been swamped totally

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swamped with email well it's not so much

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email it's a lot of other stuff just

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it's it's our conference but yeah but it

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is related to communications yes

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communicating with many other most many

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like in this frenzied mode and and as

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and more media it almost seems like

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emotions are running higher and higher

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this afternoon last night I had to get

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do some meditation and relax yeah and

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I'm gonna need some of that today too

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oh you're gonna need a producer and

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you're into I just heard the noise hey

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hey so so exciting all these people are

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we're seeing people on the TV you know I

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don't know about you but people that I

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know that don't follow UFOs

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about this like I had yeah conversation

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today with a friend who absolutely

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doesn't didn't even know I did a show on

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UFOs and I asked him if he heard

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anything about it and he said oh yeah

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funny the only thing he knew about it

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was the government had spent money on it

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so hey you know the there's a mixed take

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on that yeah that's really funny and and

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that's where I think we have to be

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careful and and I know that the to the

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stars Academy people and Elizondo and

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all of the the people involved are

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trying to be really really careful about

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how they're presenting the information

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and what's getting presented and you

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can't always control what's going to get

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what's going on and the angles that'll

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be taken and people trying to take over

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the conversation and one of the strains

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of the conversation that was introduced

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by Politico and then others have ran

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with it is this idea that you know of

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cronyism that that Harry Reid Democratic

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senator who was the majority leader

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write I said right there is even though

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politically charged and and you know

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people get really emotional about it but

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people trying to say that there are some

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cronyism between Bigelow and him and

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that he was funneling all this money

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Bigelow but we don't have the numbers

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message should be that these pilots

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these these guys who pilot the top

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technology that the United States has

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gotten capturing them on under infrared

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cameras and they're telling us that

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these things outclass our technology

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these things are unidentified we don't

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know whose they are and and and Elizondo

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even made a statement that we couldn't

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defend ourselves against these things

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and that no doubt deserves attention and

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twenty-two million dollars is probably

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just the tip of the iceberg as far as

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what probably needs to be spent on

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investigating something like this and

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the comment that that well not all that

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money was spent likely on the program or

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all went Bigelow so and and we haven't

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squashed I don't think anybody speaking

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about it instead people kind of run from

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it and hide from it but it hasn't been

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let go and I think with all of these

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things all you can do is boldly you know

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that that and it's certainly mind that

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this isn't a matter of extreme

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importance it's shocking even that the

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government would say that they're doing

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this and you know people try to ask us

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like UFO people are is the densest

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validate what you do or are is this

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aliens and you know what those are not

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the facts that we need to or the points

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that we need to tackle right now the

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point that we need to tackle is that

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it's been revealed that this situation

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Department of Defense and especially by

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the pilots who have seen these things

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and they've come out on the news and

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said I I witnessed this and I can get

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from elsewhere that's what we have to

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keep coming back to and remind people

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that that's what is important whether or

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not they're aliens or

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what is behind the phenomena that's why

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we need to study it that's why we need

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to spend the money to figure out what is

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behind it whether or not it validates us

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UFO people that's kind of a cute side

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story but that's not the important big

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story that's not the point that

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everybody has to get right now the point

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is that this phenomena that these things

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happen and we need to take it seriously

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and we need to pay attention to it

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that's what we really need to drive home

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and we've got this opportunity to do

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that you know hopefully that's what

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like I take this as a total opportunity

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for sure because and this is what I see

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these these days in in our social

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context as like a news story will come

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out it's really amazing it's it's gone

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viral so to speak and all of a sudden

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it's yesterday's news and nobody's

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paying attention yeah so we have to

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there has to be like a striking while

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the iron's hot quitar keeping it alive

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somehow and I think that's the only way

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we're going to you know any type of

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action is going to be done now I'm

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wondering where this is going to go you

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mentioned the political part of this

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which is really important and I'm

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wondering what angles this are you know

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what paths this is going to go down as

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far as you know are people gonna be

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talking about the money spent or are

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they going to say wow you know that's in

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the scope of things that's not much

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money and this is important because of

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what you said earlier security risk we

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can we can't outmaneuver we can't this

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is something that could be dangerous or

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if it wanted to be dangerous we'd have

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no control over it

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mm-hmm and what's interesting is if we

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look at the case files even if you look

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at the Air Force files the situation of

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which is what these guys explain it's

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you know we see a craft it is it's an

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observable unknown we scramble jets to

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go check it out the Jets get there it

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zips off in an instant

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or it demonstrates you know

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characteristics that that are beyond our

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own techno

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that is the age-old story that we've

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heard since the days of Bluebook

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Bloomsburg is chuck full of situations

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like this the famous 1952 Washington DC

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situation was the same exact thing

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that's a story that that you know that

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we have a record of this sort of

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phenomenon occurring these these same

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situations occurring for such a long

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long long period of time that's a sort

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of you know that's the sort of thing

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those of us who have been looking at the

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record can share that that's what and

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you know this is reaching out to the

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public it's you know a lot of people try

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to look at what are the motivations

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behind the people who release its

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information and that's interesting but

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then to begin to speculate on that at

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this point in time especially people who

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might who haven't even interacted with

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these men we don't even know much about

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these t TSA guys because we haven't

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heard much except for what's on the news

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and I unfortunately have spoken with a

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few more of them so I do know some of

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them a little better than some but I

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mean my take of course that these people

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are very interested in this field just

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like the rest of us are but I guess the

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point is yet that we need to be careful

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about even you know I think what happens

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when stuff and I think in the UFO field

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and it makes me really frustrated almost

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makes me think like I I don't want to

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associate with UFO field as much and try

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to focus on you know the media side of

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things and and the media people

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community more because these emotions

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are in high these opinions run high and

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people begin to eat each other I mean

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I've gotten a lot of comments on on

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social media lately but a ton of

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negative stuff too and I I don't even

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know why I've you know I'm just trying

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to give out information and and a lot of

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luckily you know colleagues treat me

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well but then they're kind of eating

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kind of that's another thing that you

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know another danger we have to look out

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for is us eating each other alive and

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coming apart at the seams this is kind

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of our stand art do you think this is

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done in a point of skepticism or what

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what do you think Spurs this now or do

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you think there's some of the comments

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that I got you know had to do with oh

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you know this is Tom DeLonge is doing

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about habla and you know what does he

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know and you know is it is it I don't

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know if I want to use the word jealousy

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but is it what what would you call it I

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mean is that what you see it's hard to

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speculate I'm sure there's some jealousy

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I'm sure there's of resentment you know

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people are like look I've been

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investigating this stuff for decades and

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and here you know these guys Tom DeLonge

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and these other guys come on the scene

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and they've only been around for a few

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years and they're getting all the

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attention but you know what they deserve

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the attention they're the they're doing

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something and they're doing something

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important and they're getting in front

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of people they have resources we don't

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have they have and that's a big key date

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they have these resources we just don't

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have at our disposal and we really

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should be encouraging the use of those

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resources Tom DeLonge you know I wrote

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an article kind of an analysis of my

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interactions with Tom's along through

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this whole thing on the Huffington Post

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and also at open mind stat TV and you

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know this would not have come about

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without Tom DeLonge he's the one who

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created to the stars which then created

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this to the Stars Academy he's the one

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who behind the scenes has gathered these

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officials sure maybe we don't agree with

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all of his opinions I don't agree with

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all of his opinions but he says he can

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prove some of what he's saying and you

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know what he has been at least

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especially in this instance he has been

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proving a lot of us wrong or at least

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proving that he can prove some of what

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he says that these officials are talking

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to them that they're giving him

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information

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have this real quick that is kind of

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French that is further than I thought

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would happen is this statement in the

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New York Times that they recovered some

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unknown material that they had to modify

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Bigelow's you know um facilities in

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order to house this material what the

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heck I mean that is really wild stuff

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Wow that it really is now let's talk

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quickly about the footage that we see

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now you know I saw it the first time I

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saw this I saw you know of course then

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what's called the nimitz footage whether

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it is or not but this footage in

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particular is the first time I saw it

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was in the New York Times article and so

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you know my son actually my son wrote me

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he doesn't he doesn't pay attention UFOs

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and he wrote me like oh this is quite a

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day for the UFO people isn't it and you

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know so you know it was everyone was

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seeing this so what does something like

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that his question was how does something

377
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like that get out yeah that's a great

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question and there's some debate about

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this and then the Washington Post wrote

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about that and I know one of the writers

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for the New York Times wrote a piece

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about his work on this and I haven't

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read that one yet because there's so

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many stories coming out but I of course

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read the Washington Post their first

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went out and they said that Lou had told

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them that he wanted to get some of this

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video released to the public for

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training and for safety training of

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pilots but that he secretly wanted to

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have this information used to show that

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this department existed and they were

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looking at the credible UFO cases that

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would indicate that you know they it was

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released under intentions they were not

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expecting I'm kind of hearing that that

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might not be accurate but we haven't I

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don't know that anybody's asked him

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directly an interview and he's spoken to

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that yet but

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how they say it was released so there

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are two pieces in New York Times posted

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them in their article and I should say

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I'm gonna give a little bit of

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background if you don't mind here real

406
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quick sure is that in October

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you know they announced the TTS a the to

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the Stars Academy with all of these very

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credible people one of those people I'm

410
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probably the most shocking claims from

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one of those people was Louis Elizondo

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who said that he worked for the DoD

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investigating UFOs now we know even

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though that the story kind of died like

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he said you know these stories kind of

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go away and nobody pays attention but we

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know behind the scenes the New York

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Times Politico and Washington Post took

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that very seriously and had been

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researching whether or not he was

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telling the truth

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the New York Times posted their story

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two months later just last weekend

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political followed up with their story

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like within an hour I think very soon

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after and then Washington Post within

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the same day posted their their story so

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they took that seriously and they had

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been investigating that and found that

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to be true when the New York Times

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posted their story they also at the same

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time to the Stars Academy released those

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videos and the New York Times included

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them in the story they said Louise had

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three videos they released - one of you

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can get a lot more information actually

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at - the stars Academy they've got more

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of a write-up on those videos so anybody

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interested really should go look at them

440
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they're they're the source but the first

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one is from the Nimitz incident I think

442
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you've had Robert Palin well I know you

443
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have an ad just last week and then I've

444
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had him on also to talk about this so

445
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Robert Palace told us about this case

446
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and that video is from that case and now

447
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we know finally we have really solid

448
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confirmation at that video that we've

449
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seen that was somehow leaked earlier and

450
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we don't know how it was leaked earlier

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is real video from that case the second

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video is called the gimbal video and

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we're not even sure it looks like it's

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an act acronym why they call it that but

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it's another infrared video but we don't

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know where it came from when they

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released it they did not include

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location date or time and Louise

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probably knows the location date and

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time but he didn't get permission to

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release that and he's not gonna release

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anything he doesn't have permission to

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release so so we don't even know the

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background of that story but that story

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you know similarly throws an object that

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they're following that that takes off

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what's interesting about this object

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though is that it seems to have some

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sort of halo almost like it has I don't

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know something around it and on the to

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the to the Stars Academy site they talk

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about it how it has some sort of

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unexplained halo around it now the

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information at to the Stars Academy

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everybody kind of attaches Tom DeLonge

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to this but remember these it's actually

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ran by these very credible people one of

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those being Steve justice who works for

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skunk he'd lock works you know the same

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group that created the sr-71 stealth and

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and manages area 51 they eluded to he's

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the one who did the analysis and

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probably with some input from the other

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guys so the analysis that you're reading

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at T TSA is is done by people very

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credible people who know what they're

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talking about

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you know aerospace engineers so it's a

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it's analysis that you can rely on so

490
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that's that's kind of the story behind

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the videos now someone wrote me an email

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and they said in the I think the nimitz

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video no it's nothing in this video it's

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what you call the gimbal video that a

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copilot or another pilot says something

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about the winds are at i think he says

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like 123 miles an hour right and and he

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so the person that wrote me the email

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said hey look that's like a hundred and

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fifty eight knots and that's hurricane

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winds they would never be up there so

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the video is false so i you know i I

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don't have any idea how that goes but

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that does seem like a really high wind

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120 miles per hour yeah he says that up

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but they're at like 25,000 feet

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I think that is yeah so I don't know if

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that's high for as high as they are I

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don't know if that's like a wind speed

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in other words like the resistance in

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relation to the movement I'm not sure

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they just said it was they were going

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against the wind that's a really good

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point that that's very high winds I mean

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that's someone we'd have to question

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someone in aeronautics or aviation about

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that but no one else that I've heard of

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has raised the concern about that

519
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statement and even the New York Times

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nobody also questioned the veracity of

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the videos that they didn't come from

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where they were said to have come from

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we even have witness testimony we have

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the f-18 pilots now have talked to CNN

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and others which is terribly fascinating

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because you have this f-18 pilot now

527
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retired saying you know that that not

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only did he witness this he was involved

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with the situation that he can confirm

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the the videos real and also saying that

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he feels that these objects are

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otherworldly that that we just could not

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do something like this the

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characteristics are something that are

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not capable of any human technology

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whether or not that's true I don't know

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because of course there's the

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possibility of the Russians or maybe

539
00:23:52,019 --> 00:23:48,489
even the Chinese have some sort of edge

540
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up on us when it comes to anti-gravity

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technology or maybe they do have some

542
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tech that we are not unaware of then

543
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they're making these probes although

544
00:24:02,129 --> 00:23:59,289
they've also said that these things were

545
00:24:05,999 --> 00:24:02,139
as big as airliners so at their very

546
00:24:07,349 --> 00:24:06,009
large objects so yeah but going back to

547
00:24:09,749 --> 00:24:07,359
what you said earlier you know people

548
00:24:13,499 --> 00:24:09,759
have been seeing exactly the same thing

549
00:24:15,629 --> 00:24:13,509
for many decades exactly exactly

550
00:24:17,789 --> 00:24:15,639
and I think that needs to be that hasn't

551
00:24:20,249 --> 00:24:17,799
even been rolled into this story and it

552
00:24:22,619 --> 00:24:20,259
really should I think that the major

553
00:24:25,709 --> 00:24:22,629
players the elizondo's and people

554
00:24:28,139 --> 00:24:25,719
speaking out there are trying to stick

555
00:24:30,060 --> 00:24:28,149
to the facts of this situation but I

556
00:24:32,570 --> 00:24:30,070
think they really need to roll

557
00:24:35,550 --> 00:24:32,580
in at least some of the verified

558
00:24:39,270 --> 00:24:35,560
information we have about other cases

559
00:24:41,910 --> 00:24:39,280
and we do as far as airforce records I

560
00:24:43,770 --> 00:24:41,920
mean we can refer to US Air Force

561
00:24:46,740 --> 00:24:43,780
Investigations unfortunately we don't

562
00:24:48,510 --> 00:24:46,750
have any we know we have some paperwork

563
00:24:51,660 --> 00:24:48,520
to show they have investigated UFOs

564
00:24:54,690 --> 00:24:51,670
since 1969 even though they say they

565
00:24:56,610 --> 00:24:54,700
have not we do have some but they're

566
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,620
very short they're just very summaries

567
00:25:00,750 --> 00:24:58,720
of situations they're not full-on

568
00:25:02,850 --> 00:25:00,760
investigations we have to go all the way

569
00:25:05,550 --> 00:25:02,860
back to Blue Book to find full-on

570
00:25:08,550 --> 00:25:05,560
investigations but they do exist

571
00:25:10,530 --> 00:25:08,560
especially Washington DC 1952 you can

572
00:25:13,410 --> 00:25:10,540
look at Edward rappels book the guy who

573
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:13,420
ran Blue Book I he went over all of that

574
00:25:18,270 --> 00:25:16,330
very thoroughly so I think we do have to

575
00:25:20,910 --> 00:25:18,280
bring up this history just to show that

576
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:20,920
when the Air Force did investigate these

577
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:23,650
things they found the same situations

578
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:26,320
back then that were explaining to people

579
00:25:33,630 --> 00:25:29,770
now and of course some of the audience

580
00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:33,640
may know but the very first Air Force

581
00:25:39,810 --> 00:25:35,590
investigation which was project sign

582
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:39,820
that started in 1947 that group of Air

583
00:25:44,550 --> 00:25:41,530
Force people that worked at

584
00:25:46,770 --> 00:25:44,560
wright-patterson for you know kind of

585
00:25:48,750 --> 00:25:46,780
the foreign technology division it was

586
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:48,760
called something else back then but I

587
00:25:54,810 --> 00:25:50,890
think it was air Materiel Command but

588
00:25:57,390 --> 00:25:54,820
they concluded that that these things

589
00:26:01,200 --> 00:25:57,400
could possibly be from extraterrestrial

590
00:26:03,630 --> 00:26:01,210
civilizations that the people higher up

591
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:03,640
didn't like that they included that

592
00:26:08,010 --> 00:26:05,650
didn't feel they had enough evidence to

593
00:26:10,410 --> 00:26:08,020
say that but the people who did come to

594
00:26:11,940 --> 00:26:10,420
those conclusions were largely engineers

595
00:26:14,580 --> 00:26:11,950
and they were capable people these

596
00:26:16,770 --> 00:26:14,590
weren't just a bunch of a few goofballs

597
00:26:19,230 --> 00:26:16,780
I mean especially the first time we

598
00:26:21,330 --> 00:26:19,240
investigated it was taken very seriously

599
00:26:24,510 --> 00:26:21,340
and there were some of the top guys on

600
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:24,520
this so I would highly recommend people

601
00:26:29,580 --> 00:26:27,600
read group belts book if you haven't

602
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:29,590
especially given the news from this

603
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:32,170
weekend it's a must it's a must read for

604
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:34,930
people know and Kevin Randle will tell

605
00:26:38,550 --> 00:26:36,490
you the same thing that's for sure yeah

606
00:26:41,580 --> 00:26:38,560
now I'm gonna ask I'll probably ask

607
00:26:43,139 --> 00:26:41,590
Kevin this question too but why do you

608
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:43,149
suppose

609
00:26:50,219 --> 00:26:47,200
now this is coming out now why now you

610
00:26:53,489 --> 00:26:50,229
know um I think some people would have

611
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:53,499
conspiracy theories behind why now but

612
00:26:58,799 --> 00:26:56,320
all indications at least from what

613
00:27:02,369 --> 00:26:58,809
information I haven't from what were

614
00:27:03,239 --> 00:27:02,379
being given if it's all Lou Elizondo

615
00:27:07,049 --> 00:27:03,249
that Lou

616
00:27:09,869 --> 00:27:07,059
Elizondo and Tom DeLonge that Tom

617
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:09,879
DeLonge and that's why I keep going to

618
00:27:14,399 --> 00:27:11,919
Tom DeLonge and his the significant role

619
00:27:16,649 --> 00:27:14,409
that he played Tom DeLonge created this

620
00:27:19,859 --> 00:27:16,659
to the Stars Academy he gathered these

621
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:19,869
groups of very credible officials that

622
00:27:25,499 --> 00:27:22,690
seemed to make Lou Elizondo feel

623
00:27:28,529 --> 00:27:25,509
comfortable that here was a group of

624
00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:28,539
people that I can join to continue to

625
00:27:33,329 --> 00:27:30,940
look into this topic outside of the

626
00:27:34,919 --> 00:27:33,339
department of defense Lou said he was

627
00:27:36,959 --> 00:27:34,929
disappointed with the Department of

628
00:27:39,749 --> 00:27:36,969
Defense reaction at they weren't taking

629
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:39,759
this seriously enough so he retired and

630
00:27:47,070 --> 00:27:43,289
then he joined to the Stars Academy and

631
00:27:50,849 --> 00:27:47,080
that because of that situation that

632
00:27:53,129 --> 00:27:50,859
seems to be the why now there really

633
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:53,139
doesn't seem to be any indication at

634
00:27:58,739 --> 00:27:56,369
least that we've seen of any other

635
00:28:02,039 --> 00:27:58,749
reason as to why now

636
00:28:04,859 --> 00:28:02,049
and I'll probably ask or or Kevin may

637
00:28:07,169 --> 00:28:04,869
touch on this too but what about you

638
00:28:11,249 --> 00:28:07,179
know classified I mean it would seem

639
00:28:14,190 --> 00:28:11,259
like what Lou is talking about should be

640
00:28:17,369 --> 00:28:14,200
classified or at least some of it some

641
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:17,379
of it is I mean most of it well not what

642
00:28:22,049 --> 00:28:19,929
she's talking about but he's not talking

643
00:28:24,989 --> 00:28:22,059
about much that's the thing this is a

644
00:28:29,399 --> 00:28:24,999
program that's gone on since 2007 and

645
00:28:31,649 --> 00:28:29,409
the only thing he's released are that

646
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:31,659
these videos one of which they have

647
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:34,330
given no information about the other one

648
00:28:38,579 --> 00:28:35,919
which we've been talking about before

649
00:28:40,469 --> 00:28:38,589
this news came out we've Robert paths

650
00:28:43,619 --> 00:28:40,479
been on talking about it Chris Mellon

651
00:28:46,349 --> 00:28:43,629
one of the TTS a members who work for

652
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:46,359
defense intelligence he's been talking

653
00:28:51,690 --> 00:28:48,369
about it he talked about it at the TT s

654
00:28:53,819 --> 00:28:51,700
a press conference in October one of the

655
00:28:55,619 --> 00:28:53,829
pilots wrote a blog about it that's how

656
00:28:56,820 --> 00:28:55,629
we found out about the case in the first

657
00:28:58,889 --> 00:28:56,830
place one of the pilot

658
00:29:02,940 --> 00:28:58,899
wrote a blog about hey I'm no x-files

659
00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:02,950
guy but I chased a UFO mm-hmm

660
00:29:07,250 --> 00:29:05,350
so that story's already been out there

661
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:07,260
and that's the only case that we

662
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:09,250
Elizondo has really given us any

663
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:11,110
information about otherwise she's

664
00:29:14,730 --> 00:29:12,850
released the video that we don't have

665
00:29:16,740 --> 00:29:14,740
information about and he's talked about

666
00:29:19,620 --> 00:29:16,750
this metal which we also don't have him

667
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:19,630
information about so Elizondo really

668
00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:22,090
hasn't given us much he said that he

669
00:29:26,669 --> 00:29:24,190
can't reveal any more because he doesn't

670
00:29:29,580 --> 00:29:26,679
have permission one thing we can look

671
00:29:31,620 --> 00:29:29,590
forward to is this third video that he

672
00:29:33,570 --> 00:29:31,630
supposedly was able to get permission to

673
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,580
release and they haven't yet and I'm

674
00:29:39,690 --> 00:29:35,919
suspecting that as soon as the media

675
00:29:41,879 --> 00:29:39,700
cycle you know which is a very media

676
00:29:44,340 --> 00:29:41,889
savvy thing to do I mean if you want to

677
00:29:47,159 --> 00:29:44,350
stay relevant you know it's like you're

678
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:47,169
Kardashians yeah it's only release yeah

679
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:49,690
yeah yeah release information as soon as

680
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:51,250
people stop paying attention to you

681
00:29:55,049 --> 00:29:53,529
release some big information and they

682
00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:55,059
make you paying attention to you yeah

683
00:29:59,220 --> 00:29:56,950
it's something the president does I mean

684
00:30:00,779 --> 00:29:59,230
this is now you do it so that's probably

685
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:00,789
when the information will be released

686
00:30:07,649 --> 00:30:05,679
maybe early next week or once the things

687
00:30:09,870 --> 00:30:07,659
start to die down which is good because

688
00:30:12,779 --> 00:30:09,880
at then it at least allows them to

689
00:30:14,669 --> 00:30:12,789
interject some credible information to

690
00:30:16,860 --> 00:30:14,679
bring the conversation back and add a

691
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:16,870
credible level so you know that's why

692
00:30:20,730 --> 00:30:18,730
I'm guessing when we'll see that but

693
00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:20,740
yeah he hasn't released much all this

694
00:30:24,419 --> 00:30:22,539
other stuff we know about Harry Reid and

695
00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:24,429
Bigelow was really stuff that the New

696
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,929
York Times discovered in their own

697
00:30:30,539 --> 00:30:28,000
investigation okay we got to bring up

698
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:30,549
Kevin on here in just a minute but

699
00:30:36,180 --> 00:30:32,110
quickly I don't know if you happen to

700
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:36,190
catch Leslie Cain on the CNN last night

701
00:30:42,269 --> 00:30:40,480
did you happen to of course I did and

702
00:30:45,090 --> 00:30:42,279
the reason I make the funny face is

703
00:30:47,070 --> 00:30:45,100
because I was actually invited to be on

704
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:47,080
see I know on the show wasn't gonna

705
00:30:52,110 --> 00:30:50,110
bring that up but yeah okay yeah and I

706
00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:52,120
was it was well people can see it on my

707
00:30:55,710 --> 00:30:53,529
social media probably some of the

708
00:31:00,659 --> 00:30:55,720
listeners you know and and I'm a you

709
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:00,669
know open book type of guy and and so it

710
00:31:06,450 --> 00:31:04,000
was a really bummer and the girl that

711
00:31:10,740 --> 00:31:06,460
was getting me on there she's she's

712
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,750
really cool and she any

713
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:12,960
I guess the point is that unfortunately

714
00:31:17,730 --> 00:31:15,760
at the last minute or about now we're

715
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:17,740
actually before the program aired they

716
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:20,050
said well actually we're not gonna need

717
00:31:23,550 --> 00:31:21,850
you and then it was interesting because

718
00:31:27,150 --> 00:31:23,560
then we saw in social media that Robert

719
00:31:30,390 --> 00:31:27,160
Salas who was part of Malstrom air force

720
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:30,400
base were you know apparently a UFO

721
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:31,930
scene and then these nukes were turned

722
00:31:37,650 --> 00:31:34,330
off he said he was gonna be on the show

723
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:37,660
but when the show aired it was only Don

724
00:31:43,140 --> 00:31:41,410
and Leslie and which is fine because you

725
00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:43,150
know what Leslie is one of the co

726
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:44,830
writers of the New York Times story

727
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:48,370
she's in the middle of this she's great

728
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:50,410
he always does a great job in these

729
00:31:55,230 --> 00:31:53,290
interviews so she did a great job that

730
00:31:56,820 --> 00:31:55,240
she did you know and that that's what I

731
00:31:59,460 --> 00:31:56,830
want to say and we had to bring Kevin on

732
00:32:02,280 --> 00:31:59,470
but I thought she did a wonderful job

733
00:32:03,690 --> 00:32:02,290
because he the he kept trying to lead

734
00:32:05,910 --> 00:32:03,700
her down the path of the little green

735
00:32:08,370 --> 00:32:05,920
men and she refrained she did she really

736
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:08,380
held a ground and did a really good job

737
00:32:11,550 --> 00:32:08,890
at it

738
00:32:14,220 --> 00:32:11,560
I think yeah she finally kind of said

739
00:32:15,390 --> 00:32:14,230
it's possible I know I was right she

740
00:32:17,460 --> 00:32:15,400
actually said that but she was kind of

741
00:32:18,930 --> 00:32:17,470
forced to say that really I mean he

742
00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:18,940
really pushed her yeah right to the

743
00:32:23,910 --> 00:32:20,470
right to the point

744
00:32:26,130 --> 00:32:23,920
right but anyway she did a heck of a job

745
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:26,140
I think yeah yeah because the point

746
00:32:29,730 --> 00:32:27,610
isn't like I said earlier the little

747
00:32:32,460 --> 00:32:29,740
green men the point is that that's why

748
00:32:34,740 --> 00:32:32,470
we need programs like this to be able to

749
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:34,750
say whether or not it's little green men

750
00:32:39,690 --> 00:32:37,360
or little green men Greymon or human

751
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:39,700
looking beings from elsewhere or people

752
00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:41,170
from the future people from another

753
00:32:45,810 --> 00:32:41,860
dimension

754
00:32:48,030 --> 00:32:45,820
or who knows space critters or something

755
00:32:51,810 --> 00:32:48,040
like that who knows what what the answer

756
00:32:53,010 --> 00:32:51,820
may be ultimately but that's why we need

757
00:32:55,410 --> 00:32:53,020
a program to figure that out

758
00:32:58,380 --> 00:32:55,420
Yeah right okay so I'm gonna try to

759
00:32:58,940 --> 00:32:58,390
bring Kevin in and we'll see what

760
00:33:02,160 --> 00:32:58,950
happens

761
00:33:05,580 --> 00:33:02,170
I can't wait to get my show producer

762
00:33:07,290 --> 00:33:05,590
working now I'm gonna stick around and

763
00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:07,300
say hi if that's cool oh no no I want

764
00:33:13,530 --> 00:33:09,430
you to stay as long as you want so okay

765
00:33:17,790 --> 00:33:13,540
yeah Kevin I see some action going on

766
00:33:21,270 --> 00:33:17,800
there Kevin how are you you're alive

767
00:33:23,540 --> 00:33:21,280
yeah I'm fine I just wonder I just

768
00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:23,550
wanted to warn you that your life

769
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:27,990
and welcome to the show Kevin thank you

770
00:33:32,780 --> 00:33:30,360
so Kevin you're on with myself and

771
00:33:35,060 --> 00:33:32,790
Alejandro and I'm not sure if you did

772
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:35,070
you happen to get a chance to listen to

773
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:37,770
our show as we were going along no I was

774
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:39,210
busy eating dinner and things like that

775
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:42,330
oh okay that's no problem so we were

776
00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:45,810
talking about you know everything a lot

777
00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:47,220
of bad things about you yeah absolutely

778
00:33:50,420 --> 00:33:48,360
that's what it was

779
00:33:52,190 --> 00:33:50,430
well people people were emailing me

780
00:33:55,910 --> 00:33:52,200
about I read all the nasty emails before

781
00:34:00,110 --> 00:33:55,920
you guys called so beautiful it worked

782
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,120
okay so hey Kevin so one of the

783
00:34:05,420 --> 00:34:03,120
questions I I had and you know Alejandro

784
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:05,430
may have a question or two is and we can

785
00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:07,890
go up to the half hour if you have the

786
00:34:13,820 --> 00:34:11,700
time and that is a military person such

787
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:13,830
as yourself your perspective on what's

788
00:34:19,010 --> 00:34:17,040
been going on this last week I think the

789
00:34:20,930 --> 00:34:19,020
first thing we need to talk about is how

790
00:34:23,720 --> 00:34:20,940
an awful lot of the information is not

791
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:23,730
accurate and by that I mean the history

792
00:34:27,169 --> 00:34:25,649
of the UFO investigations because they

793
00:34:30,260 --> 00:34:27,179
keep talking about how project Bluebook

794
00:34:32,060 --> 00:34:30,270
began in 1947 and that sort of thing and

795
00:34:33,980 --> 00:34:32,070
those of us who studied the phenomenon

796
00:34:36,169 --> 00:34:33,990
for a long time realized that the first

797
00:34:38,540 --> 00:34:36,179
investigation was an unofficial

798
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:38,550
investigation began in 1946 at the end

799
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:41,940
of 1946 when Arnold made his sighting in

800
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:46,050
June of 1947 it morphed into an official

801
00:34:52,010 --> 00:34:47,810
investigation but it wasn't until

802
00:34:54,409 --> 00:34:52,020
general twining wrote his letter in

803
00:34:56,210 --> 00:34:54,419
September of 1947 suggesting they create

804
00:34:59,140 --> 00:34:56,220
a project then we get an official

805
00:35:01,760 --> 00:34:59,150
investigation which began officially in

806
00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:01,770
January of 1948 and that was project

807
00:35:07,220 --> 00:35:04,710
sign at the time the name of the name of

808
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:07,230
the project sign was classified and the

809
00:35:10,490 --> 00:35:08,730
military is saying well this was a

810
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:10,500
project saucer that was the name they

811
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:12,660
gave it in Savanna world sign eventually

812
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:14,370
morphed into grudge which morphed into

813
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:17,010
blue book and in 1969 they ended blue

814
00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:19,050
book but those of us who were paying

815
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:21,630
attention realized the UFO investigation

816
00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:23,250
hadn't ended there was something called

817
00:35:27,650 --> 00:35:25,740
Project moon dust and as I was going

818
00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:27,660
through some of the old Project Blue

819
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:29,880
Book files I found four cases in there

820
00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:32,570
labelled moon dust which shows the the

821
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:35,400
UFO component to it and that the fact

822
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,170
that the Air Force was aware of it

823
00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:39,839
that lasted until 1985 when the name was

824
00:35:46,789 --> 00:35:42,180
compromised by a State Department

825
00:35:49,069 --> 00:35:46,799
release of under FOIA and from that

826
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:49,079
point on I think was Robert Todd voyage

827
00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:50,970
to get the name of the project as it was

828
00:35:55,339 --> 00:35:53,640
after 1985 they said no the project name

829
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:55,349
is properly classified we can't tell you

830
00:35:59,089 --> 00:35:57,119
what it was so those of us who've been

831
00:36:00,920 --> 00:35:59,099
around for a long time realized that a

832
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:00,930
there's been investigations going on

833
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:04,250
since 1946 and B there's been classified

834
00:36:09,380 --> 00:36:07,530
investigations going on that lasted

835
00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:09,390
beyond the end of Project Blue Book and

836
00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:12,359
continued far beyond that point we now

837
00:36:16,579 --> 00:36:14,609
have another specific project that was

838
00:36:18,260 --> 00:36:16,589
dealing with UFOs all the while being

839
00:36:22,609 --> 00:36:18,270
told that there's no interest in the

840
00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:22,619
government so this latest information

841
00:36:27,049 --> 00:36:25,470
this latest dump of information tells us

842
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,059
an awful lot about what's been going on

843
00:36:32,359 --> 00:36:29,040
and that the government and the military

844
00:36:33,859 --> 00:36:32,369
have had a real interest in UFOs all the

845
00:36:35,299 --> 00:36:33,869
while telling us there's nothing to us

846
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:35,309
nothing to be concerned about and we

847
00:36:40,010 --> 00:36:36,690
don't even bother with investigating

848
00:36:43,099 --> 00:36:40,020
them anymore well I think you make a lot

849
00:36:45,740 --> 00:36:43,109
of good points in that I mean I was

850
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:45,750
gonna say the the media often doesn't

851
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,730
feel like they have to do their due

852
00:36:52,309 --> 00:36:49,440
diligence when it comes to the UFO

853
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:52,319
phenomena they throw out a few bullet

854
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:54,210
points maybe they get from Wikipedia or

855
00:36:59,359 --> 00:36:56,970
something like that but accuracy doesn't

856
00:37:02,839 --> 00:36:59,369
seem to be as important as other stories

857
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:02,849
where they they really are held to the

858
00:37:06,589 --> 00:37:05,400
fire on these things and and I was gonna

859
00:37:08,809 --> 00:37:06,599
say it's coming back to bite them in the

860
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:08,819
butt but even today with this big story

861
00:37:13,549 --> 00:37:11,040
I don't think they care it doesn't seem

862
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:13,559
to be that they're consulting with

863
00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:15,569
experts or making sure they're getting

864
00:37:19,940 --> 00:37:17,940
their story straight on these items like

865
00:37:21,859 --> 00:37:19,950
like you're talking about heaven now

866
00:37:23,210 --> 00:37:21,869
there is getting into the weeds and

867
00:37:24,890 --> 00:37:23,220
there is you know it's okay to

868
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:24,900
generalize at some point but you should

869
00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:27,930
be accurate and we don't have really

870
00:37:32,359 --> 00:37:30,630
that sort of accurate information as far

871
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:32,369
as what they're reporting historically

872
00:37:38,780 --> 00:37:36,089
they should be talking to the very few

873
00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:38,790
historians or the people who have

874
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:44,780
authored credible books such as that uh

875
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:48,510
kevin has a media contacted you know I

876
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:50,970
haven't heard a word and I

877
00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:53,280
give media requests all the time I mean

878
00:37:58,309 --> 00:37:56,220
I was on expedition unknown with the

879
00:38:02,089 --> 00:37:58,319
Josh gates justice last summer talking

880
00:38:03,740 --> 00:38:02,099
about UFOs and so I get these sorts of

881
00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:03,750
things periodically I've heard nothing

882
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:04,920
about this and I was a little bit

883
00:38:09,319 --> 00:38:06,960
surprised on on one aspect of it that

884
00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:09,329
they haven't reached out given that if

885
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:11,640
you go and look up UFO books on Amazon

886
00:38:15,319 --> 00:38:12,930
you'll find a number of my books

887
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:15,329
including encounter in the desert which

888
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:17,130
just came out which shows that I'm still

889
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:19,970
alive and still active in UFO research

890
00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:22,770
but but I I think you're right but I

891
00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:24,420
think it transcends things and I

892
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,420
remember back when James Brady was

893
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:29,040
wounded in the assassination attempt of

894
00:38:34,670 --> 00:38:32,280
a President Reagan and ABC announced

895
00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:34,680
that he had died and then an hour later

896
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:35,849
they had to retract that statement

897
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:38,130
simply because he was still alive but I

898
00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:40,410
remember the alibi which was well we got

899
00:38:43,819 --> 00:38:42,060
it from four sources that he had died

900
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:43,829
and were not reporting rumors and I'm

901
00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:45,839
thinking if he's still alive you're

902
00:38:50,329 --> 00:38:47,849
reporting rumors I don't care how many

903
00:38:52,609 --> 00:38:50,339
sources you have your reporting rumors

904
00:38:54,980 --> 00:38:52,619
and we see even more of that today it's

905
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:54,990
even worse today because I think that

906
00:39:00,440 --> 00:38:58,010
the people who are in journalism today

907
00:39:02,839 --> 00:39:00,450
haven't been classically trained I'm

908
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:02,849
thinking of the newspapers where you

909
00:39:07,730 --> 00:39:06,089
might have the time to research a story

910
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:07,740
and get some idea of the way you used to

911
00:39:12,620 --> 00:39:10,650
do it in in the 50s and the 60s you had

912
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:12,630
to be accurate and what you're reporting

913
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:14,700
today they'll just they'll have the

914
00:39:17,809 --> 00:39:16,410
talking heads on talking about a point

915
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:17,819
it turns out it's untrue and they say

916
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:20,970
well you know oh well we we must on that

917
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:22,290
one we'll go on to the next one and

918
00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:24,210
continue on and when you get to UFOs

919
00:39:32,530 --> 00:39:27,720
which I don't think any journalist wants

920
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:32,540
to cover because it tends to I guess

921
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:34,890
relate to their own credibility you

922
00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:36,450
can't tell me you believe about little

923
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:37,950
green men from Mars visiting earth for

924
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:40,010
crying out loud so they take a very

925
00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:42,210
lackadaisical attitude and I think

926
00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:43,560
you're actually right alejandro when

927
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:45,390
they look at something up on wikipedia

928
00:39:53,690 --> 00:39:49,050
or one of the many many other UFO sites

929
00:39:55,069 --> 00:39:53,700
that have no real credibility but they

930
00:39:56,359 --> 00:39:55,079
don't they don't look for the

931
00:39:59,720 --> 00:39:56,369
credibility they look for the most

932
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,730
sensational aspect of the story but this

933
00:40:03,740 --> 00:40:01,680
is getting some very good play in some

934
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:03,750
very good places and I think that helps

935
00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:04,810
the whole thing

936
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:07,240
and I'd probably need to to apologize to

937
00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:08,770
talking too long for saying that you

938
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:11,380
know the closure the disclosure isn't

939
00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:12,400
coming and it's not going to help

940
00:40:21,780 --> 00:40:17,160
because this disclosure of this project

941
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:21,790
is is a marvelous thing for us to learn

942
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:26,650
in 2017 and it does show that even

943
00:40:29,940 --> 00:40:27,850
though we've been saying this and the

944
00:40:31,950 --> 00:40:29,950
media hasn't been paying attention that

945
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:31,960
the Air Force and the government does

946
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:34,240
take this topic seriously we've even got

947
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:36,310
double government documents to show them

948
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:39,010
look they are investigating past 1969

949
00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:43,090
even though they claim otherwise finally

950
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:46,270
we have at least validation that see we

951
00:40:51,180 --> 00:40:48,970
were right this shows you that that they

952
00:40:52,980 --> 00:40:51,190
have been looking into it if you look at

953
00:40:54,570 --> 00:40:52,990
the mission of the Air Force one of

954
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:54,580
their missions is to protect the skies

955
00:41:01,320 --> 00:40:57,850
over the United States right and and

956
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:01,330
anything that intrudes on our defensive

957
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:04,480
coast to coastal defense zones has to be

958
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:07,330
intercepted it has to be reported on so

959
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:09,250
even if you're not talking about alien

960
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:12,130
spacecraft or you're talking about

961
00:41:18,330 --> 00:41:15,490
Russian bombers possibly or other semi

962
00:41:21,630 --> 00:41:18,340
hostile nations and I use the word semi

963
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:21,640
hostile penetrating our defensive Coast

964
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:24,490
our coastal defense zones they have to

965
00:41:28,110 --> 00:41:26,410
be intercepted and if it's a UFO some

966
00:41:29,850 --> 00:41:28,120
kind of an alien spacecraft they are

967
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:29,860
required to intercept it to find out

968
00:41:33,420 --> 00:41:31,330
what it is and does it present a threat

969
00:41:35,010 --> 00:41:33,430
to the security of the United States so

970
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:35,020
when they say we don't investigate UFOs

971
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:37,930
we know that's not true even when we

972
00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:40,210
didn't have this this latest admission

973
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:43,180
we knew it wasn't true because that is

974
00:41:49,980 --> 00:41:47,170
an Air Force mission to do that Kevin so

975
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:49,990
I'm sure you saw the you most likely saw

976
00:41:54,170 --> 00:41:52,480
the interview with the retired Navy

977
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:54,180
pilot David forever

978
00:42:00,780 --> 00:41:56,890
in a situation like that you know a

979
00:42:03,930 --> 00:42:00,790
military person retired or not and

980
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:03,940
coming forward and talking about the you

981
00:42:08,850 --> 00:42:05,470
know the sightings which were actually

982
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:08,860
he was very a very good interview what

983
00:42:15,980 --> 00:42:10,810
do you think about that you know as far

984
00:42:18,660 --> 00:42:15,990
as him being so free to talk about it I

985
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:18,670
wonder about that simply because I

986
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:20,530
oh that there are security regulations

987
00:42:24,990 --> 00:42:23,050
still in effect I called a general name

988
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:25,000
Cruikshank who was a head of a tech back

989
00:42:30,570 --> 00:42:28,480
in the 1960s and I Kaito I called him in

990
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:30,580
the 1990s and I remember that well the

991
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,650
conversation was very short and he said

992
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:34,240
to me I don't know who you are I don't

993
00:42:37,470 --> 00:42:35,890
know what is still classified what isn't

994
00:42:41,580 --> 00:42:37,480
classified and I'm not going to talk to

995
00:42:43,590 --> 00:42:41,590
you this suggests to me that he had some

996
00:42:46,260 --> 00:42:43,600
sort of inkling that he could talk about

997
00:42:52,140 --> 00:42:46,270
this with with impunity if there was

998
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:52,150
classified intercept tactics used and

999
00:42:58,050 --> 00:42:53,920
then he shouldn't have burned those and

1000
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,060
I don't think he really did but he he

1001
00:43:01,830 --> 00:43:00,160
must have had some sort of permission to

1002
00:43:03,810 --> 00:43:01,840
talk about it especially after this

1003
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:03,820
thing came out anybody's talking about

1004
00:43:09,150 --> 00:43:07,510
this case I know that Robert Powell had

1005
00:43:10,770 --> 00:43:09,160
looked into it a number of years ago and

1006
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:10,780
talked to the talk to people about it so

1007
00:43:14,430 --> 00:43:12,370
the case has been out in the public

1008
00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:14,440
arena it's the first time one of the

1009
00:43:20,250 --> 00:43:16,060
pilots has really talked about it in a

1010
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:20,260
public arena so there I would think that

1011
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:23,050
if I was him I would have called someone

1012
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:25,510
to find out what I could talk about

1013
00:43:32,730 --> 00:43:29,170
without jeopardizing my retirement or

1014
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:32,740
jeopardizing my status in the military

1015
00:43:36,780 --> 00:43:35,110
so he must have had some kind of

1016
00:43:38,250 --> 00:43:36,790
permission to talk about it but I don't

1017
00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:38,260
know what how much permission he might

1018
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:40,380
have had and who he would have gone to

1019
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:42,970
about that or they may have contacted

1020
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:44,290
him says listen reporters gonna be

1021
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:46,690
calling you you can say this this and

1022
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,210
this because we already we already knew

1023
00:43:54,780 --> 00:43:51,520
who it was it wasn't wasn't that big of

1024
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:54,790
a secret so yeah he he probably knew

1025
00:43:58,110 --> 00:43:56,290
exactly what he could say and probably

1026
00:44:01,380 --> 00:43:58,120
didn't say anything more than he then he

1027
00:44:03,630 --> 00:44:01,390
had to do you think it was scripted no I

1028
00:44:06,090 --> 00:44:03,640
don't think so I think they might have

1029
00:44:07,650 --> 00:44:06,100
said to him you know you can you can

1030
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:07,660
talk about the intercept if there were

1031
00:44:12,510 --> 00:44:09,520
classified tactics being used or some

1032
00:44:15,060 --> 00:44:12,520
kind of classified gear being used don't

1033
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:15,070
mention that but you're free to talk

1034
00:44:18,690 --> 00:44:16,960
about what you saw on how you reacted

1035
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:18,700
and what you felt what was going on

1036
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:20,530
there so I don't think it was scripted I

1037
00:44:25,710 --> 00:44:23,710
think it was basically that I'm asking

1038
00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:25,720
questions and him knowing exactly what

1039
00:44:28,770 --> 00:44:27,310
he could say and what he couldn't say if

1040
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:28,780
in fact there were any restrictions on

1041
00:44:31,830 --> 00:44:30,130
what he did say and I'm just speculating

1042
00:44:32,310 --> 00:44:31,840
but I would think that there might have

1043
00:44:34,860 --> 00:44:32,320
been some

1044
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:34,870
restrictions but I don't know I know in

1045
00:44:42,030 --> 00:44:37,450
my case my top secret clearance probably

1046
00:44:43,950 --> 00:44:42,040
expired in 2014 just because every five

1047
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:43,960
years you've got to update your top

1048
00:44:47,730 --> 00:44:45,910
secret clearance it automatically

1049
00:44:51,110 --> 00:44:47,740
downgrades to a secret clearance after

1050
00:44:54,210 --> 00:44:51,120
five years unless it's your

1051
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:54,220
reinvestigated or it's it's you it's

1052
00:44:59,040 --> 00:44:57,610
looked at again so I'm sure that he

1053
00:45:00,180 --> 00:44:59,050
knows all of that sort of stuff and he

1054
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:00,190
knew exactly what he could talk about

1055
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:02,410
and maybe they just said yeah the people

1056
00:45:06,750 --> 00:45:05,170
be calling you have fun do you mind if I

1057
00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:06,760
ask one more question oh yeah go ahead

1058
00:45:10,980 --> 00:45:09,550
sure yeah so you mentioned a tech

1059
00:45:12,780 --> 00:45:10,990
earlier and they were the guys in

1060
00:45:16,620 --> 00:45:12,790
partner in charge of project sign right

1061
00:45:19,590 --> 00:45:16,630
and could you I guess just to show the

1062
00:45:23,850 --> 00:45:19,600
difference at least since the budget was

1063
00:45:25,650 --> 00:45:23,860
cut in 2012 and even before that it

1064
00:45:27,210 --> 00:45:25,660
seems like Bigelow was the lead so

1065
00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:27,220
whatever group of people that he had

1066
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:29,320
were not at a tech I mean they were not

1067
00:45:34,650 --> 00:45:32,560
at the level of these guys and since

1068
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:34,660
2012 it seems like it was just blue and

1069
00:45:37,470 --> 00:45:36,250
maybe a couple other people at their

1070
00:45:39,690 --> 00:45:37,480
desk kind of like the Nick Pope

1071
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:39,700
situation one guy at a desk trying to

1072
00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:41,680
shuffle around some papers and figure

1073
00:45:45,210 --> 00:45:43,150
something out so it's not like there

1074
00:45:46,620 --> 00:45:45,220
were much resources put towards it but

1075
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,630
this is why a project sign is so

1076
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:48,880
important because that was really a

1077
00:45:54,180 --> 00:45:51,730
large effort that that had a lot of very

1078
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:54,190
capable people looking into these cases

1079
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:56,890
could you explain what a tech is the

1080
00:46:00,710 --> 00:46:00,160
acronym and and you know who these guys

1081
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:00,720
are

1082
00:46:05,370 --> 00:46:02,800
well it was a our technical intelligence

1083
00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:05,380
Center and they had a lot of different

1084
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:06,760
functions they were at wright-patterson

1085
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:08,530
Air Force Base and it was part of a

1086
00:46:13,340 --> 00:46:10,330
research and development one of the

1087
00:46:15,210 --> 00:46:13,350
things they would do is reverse-engineer

1088
00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:15,220
aircraft from other countries for

1089
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:16,660
example if we happen to capture a

1090
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:18,910
Russian fighter in some fashion they

1091
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:20,530
would look at the Russian fighter and

1092
00:46:23,550 --> 00:46:22,240
see how it compared to our fighters any

1093
00:46:27,330 --> 00:46:23,560
improvements they might have had and

1094
00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:27,340
when Belenko defected from the Soviet

1095
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:30,070
Union into Japan with a MIG 25 the one

1096
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:35,170
thing I remember they said their vacuum

1097
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:39,310
tube technology was just wonderful it

1098
00:46:44,490 --> 00:46:41,920
was vastly superior to our vacuum

1099
00:46:46,110 --> 00:46:44,500
technology vacuum tube technology but we

1100
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:46,120
didn't care because we had circuit for

1101
00:46:51,780 --> 00:46:49,210
in solid-state circuitry so that was far

1102
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:51,790
superior to the best of the vacuum tube

1103
00:46:55,710 --> 00:46:53,710
technology but that was what the Soviets

1104
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,720
had done and so that was one of their

1105
00:46:59,370 --> 00:46:57,040
missions to look at those sorts of

1106
00:47:01,620 --> 00:46:59,380
things and see see where it went but

1107
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:01,630
they also had Intelligence functions

1108
00:47:05,610 --> 00:47:03,850
looking at the capabilities of other

1109
00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:05,620
nations and what their militaries were

1110
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:07,960
doing and how well I clicked they quick

1111
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:09,730
they were how well-trained they were and

1112
00:47:14,940 --> 00:47:12,490
that sort of thing but it was not just

1113
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:14,950
UFOs and the UFO project was a small

1114
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:19,090
part of that and when it began it had it

1115
00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:21,490
didn't have all that many people

1116
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:23,350
involved in it but it did have a high

1117
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:25,450
priority it was a classified project the

1118
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:27,010
name was classified and they were

1119
00:47:32,220 --> 00:47:30,400
gathering the information from all kinds

1120
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:32,230
of sources that they could they could

1121
00:47:35,580 --> 00:47:33,970
find including military people this

1122
00:47:38,940 --> 00:47:35,590
latest project apparently just dealt

1123
00:47:40,350 --> 00:47:38,950
with military sightings which I think

1124
00:47:43,170 --> 00:47:40,360
they looked at it from the point of view

1125
00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:43,180
that if it was a military person making

1126
00:47:46,140 --> 00:47:44,560
the sighting they may have been a little

1127
00:47:48,570 --> 00:47:46,150
bit better trained than your average

1128
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:48,580
civilian in what's going on around them

1129
00:47:51,570 --> 00:47:49,690
and might have have been a little bit

1130
00:47:53,580 --> 00:47:51,580
better in observing what exactly they

1131
00:47:56,580 --> 00:47:53,590
had seen especially when you move into

1132
00:47:59,280 --> 00:47:56,590
the arena of aircrew and by aircrew I

1133
00:48:02,810 --> 00:47:59,290
mean not only the pilots but the crew

1134
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,820
chiefs and the flight engineers and the

1135
00:48:05,940 --> 00:48:04,960
loadmasters and the people who are on

1136
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:05,950
the aircraft who have been around

1137
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:07,690
aircraft all the time they're their

1138
00:48:10,980 --> 00:48:09,370
observations would be very very

1139
00:48:12,540 --> 00:48:10,990
important especially if you had multiple

1140
00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:12,550
people involved in that sort of thing

1141
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:15,670
but a-tech evolved into something else

1142
00:48:19,070 --> 00:48:17,290
and I forget the acronym at the moment

1143
00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:19,080
in a moment but it's still a

1144
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,950
intelligence function you know air

1145
00:48:24,660 --> 00:48:22,720
technical intelligence Center it was an

1146
00:48:27,150 --> 00:48:24,670
intelligence function and part of what

1147
00:48:32,340 --> 00:48:27,160
they did was gather information about

1148
00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:32,350
UFOs sign eventually sort of collapsed

1149
00:48:36,420 --> 00:48:34,030
when General Vandenberg who was the Air

1150
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:36,430
Force chief of staff at the time looked

1151
00:48:39,690 --> 00:48:37,810
at what was called the estimate of the

1152
00:48:42,660 --> 00:48:39,700
situation put together by that by the

1153
00:48:46,050 --> 00:48:42,670
people out attack which concluded that

1154
00:48:49,230 --> 00:48:46,060
the observations were of interplanetary

1155
00:48:50,670 --> 00:48:49,240
craft in 1919 40s they were thinking in

1156
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:50,680
a planetary as opposed to interstellar

1157
00:48:59,010 --> 00:48:54,970
in Vandenberg didn't buy it and said no

1158
00:48:59,520 --> 00:48:59,020
I don't redo this thing and I think that

1159
00:49:01,770 --> 00:48:59,530
they

1160
00:49:04,140 --> 00:49:01,780
we're looking for something with

1161
00:49:06,180 --> 00:49:04,150
physical evidence and I'm not sure that

1162
00:49:07,650 --> 00:49:06,190
the guys at a tech would have had the

1163
00:49:08,730 --> 00:49:07,660
stuff from Roswell and that sort of

1164
00:49:12,860 --> 00:49:08,740
thing so they're putting it together

1165
00:49:16,170 --> 00:49:12,870
based on what they had at their disposal

1166
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:16,180
and a lot of it was was sighting reports

1167
00:49:23,570 --> 00:49:18,810
by military personnel and airliner

1168
00:49:27,300 --> 00:49:23,580
personnel airline crews so I think I

1169
00:49:28,620 --> 00:49:27,310
think that Vandenberg rejected it simply

1170
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:28,630
because he didn't think they proved

1171
00:49:33,450 --> 00:49:31,450
their case but what happened was it

1172
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:33,460
pretty well cleaned out project sign the

1173
00:49:36,570 --> 00:49:35,170
people who were involved in creating

1174
00:49:38,220 --> 00:49:36,580
this estimate and situation will

1175
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,230
basically all fire they're only two or

1176
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:41,200
three people who survived in sign went

1177
00:49:45,690 --> 00:49:44,170
into decline the military said well

1178
00:49:47,070 --> 00:49:45,700
we're gonna close project sign we're not

1179
00:49:48,180 --> 00:49:47,080
gonna do that anymore they just changed

1180
00:49:51,870 --> 00:49:48,190
the name to grudge and kept right on

1181
00:49:54,270 --> 00:49:51,880
going began to our East a Faton in 1951

1182
00:49:55,350 --> 00:49:54,280
I think it was one of the general says

1183
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:55,360
what's going on with the Flying Saucer

1184
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,610
stuff and he was told well not much and

1185
00:50:00,690 --> 00:49:59,440
he said fix it and that was when they

1186
00:50:01,950 --> 00:50:00,700
brought in Roop Holt and they changed

1187
00:50:03,390 --> 00:50:01,960
the name to Project Blue Book or

1188
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:03,400
involved in the project Bluebook and for

1189
00:50:08,850 --> 00:50:06,730
a while there was a an attempt to gather

1190
00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:08,860
proper information but it quickly became

1191
00:50:12,450 --> 00:50:11,230
a public relations outfit and a

1192
00:50:14,610 --> 00:50:12,460
debunking outfit you know there's

1193
00:50:16,170 --> 00:50:14,620
nothing to the flying saucers the

1194
00:50:18,270 --> 00:50:16,180
interesting thing and they they don't

1195
00:50:20,670 --> 00:50:18,280
mention this is that the Condon report

1196
00:50:22,530 --> 00:50:20,680
and Condon was the University of

1197
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:22,540
Colorado scientist who was charged with

1198
00:50:28,050 --> 00:50:24,640
investigating UFOs for the Air Force at

1199
00:50:29,940 --> 00:50:28,060
the end of the 1960s and his mission

1200
00:50:31,260 --> 00:50:29,950
wasn't to investigate UFOs so much as to

1201
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:31,270
convince the public there's nothing to

1202
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,910
it and that they should close Project

1203
00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:35,440
Blue Book and save themselves

1204
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:39,340
the money that it costs to investing

1205
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:42,400
they had UFO officers at all bases and

1206
00:50:45,210 --> 00:50:43,810
it was an additional duty they didn't

1207
00:50:46,860 --> 00:50:45,220
have somebody specifically assigned and

1208
00:50:49,110 --> 00:50:46,870
that was an additional duty but they

1209
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:49,120
were getting reports from all around the

1210
00:50:53,970 --> 00:50:51,490
country and they they they allegedly

1211
00:50:56,220 --> 00:50:53,980
quit that and now we find out of course

1212
00:50:59,130 --> 00:50:56,230
that's not true but I've kind of got off

1213
00:51:01,530 --> 00:50:59,140
topic here with you tonight necessarily

1214
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:01,540
no that was a great point all right so

1215
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:02,890
you have to it have to interrupt you

1216
00:51:07,260 --> 00:51:05,890
both I'm sorry because we only have we

1217
00:51:10,020 --> 00:51:07,270
only have like five minutes and I have

1218
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:10,030
to call Peter Davenport right at the the

1219
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:10,510
half hour

1220
00:51:14,430 --> 00:51:12,910
but quickly in these last five minutes

1221
00:51:16,980 --> 00:51:14,440
shifting gears

1222
00:51:19,350 --> 00:51:16,990
can I get opinion I'd like to get an

1223
00:51:22,740 --> 00:51:19,360
opinion from actually both of you on how

1224
00:51:25,830 --> 00:51:22,750
Bob Bigelow kind of plays into this

1225
00:51:27,230 --> 00:51:25,840
whole thing and Kevin do you understand

1226
00:51:30,930 --> 00:51:27,240
what I'm getting were and coming from

1227
00:51:33,420 --> 00:51:30,940
yes I do and if the MUFON conference in

1228
00:51:34,650 --> 00:51:33,430
2010 I think it was Bigelow came up to

1229
00:51:37,590 --> 00:51:34,660
me and asked me if I still had my top

1230
00:51:39,540 --> 00:51:37,600
secret clearance and I think that he was

1231
00:51:41,340 --> 00:51:39,550
looking at some of this stuff but

1232
00:51:43,340 --> 00:51:41,350
Bigelow also was the one that went to

1233
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:43,350
Harry Reid who was the senator from

1234
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:46,480
Nevada who kind of engineered this whole

1235
00:51:52,170 --> 00:51:48,880
study getting getting going and I'm

1236
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:52,180
wondering if there wasn't some sort of

1237
00:51:57,500 --> 00:51:54,730
political payback going there that the

1238
00:51:59,550 --> 00:51:57,510
Bigelow had contributed to Harry Reid's

1239
00:52:00,660 --> 00:51:59,560
successful Senate campaigns and that

1240
00:52:03,930 --> 00:52:00,670
sort of thing and this is one of the

1241
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:03,940
things that that Bigelow wanted done to

1242
00:52:07,470 --> 00:52:05,890
gather this information and a classified

1243
00:52:10,020 --> 00:52:07,480
nature and I think that may be why he

1244
00:52:12,590 --> 00:52:10,030
approached me to ask about my top secret

1245
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:12,600
clearance but Bigelow of course is a

1246
00:52:16,590 --> 00:52:15,130
civilian contractor working out of Las

1247
00:52:19,590 --> 00:52:16,600
Vegas and I guess he's really really

1248
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:19,600
rich which I'm very envious of because

1249
00:52:26,730 --> 00:52:25,450
I'd like to be really really rich yes

1250
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:26,740
but you never know one of those books

1251
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:29,410
just may take off especially you know I

1252
00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:32,290
did look my name up on sibling celebrity

1253
00:52:35,970 --> 00:52:34,870
Net Worth and I found one site to claim

1254
00:52:40,050 --> 00:52:35,980
to I had a hundred and thirty four

1255
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:40,060
million dollars so I don't know I don't

1256
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:42,690
even know why I'm talking to you guys

1257
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:50,790
but but the point simply is Bigelow I

1258
00:52:56,250 --> 00:52:54,160
think engineered part of this because he

1259
00:52:59,940 --> 00:52:56,260
was looking for gathering of

1260
00:53:01,320 --> 00:52:59,950
intelligence of what the spacecraft

1261
00:53:03,330 --> 00:53:01,330
could do getting getting better

1262
00:53:05,220 --> 00:53:03,340
information that he might get through

1263
00:53:07,350 --> 00:53:05,230
some of the civilian sources that were

1264
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:07,360
available to him and now 100 do you have

1265
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:10,210
anything to add to that yeah just really

1266
00:53:14,580 --> 00:53:11,890
quickly I mean I don't worry about so

1267
00:53:17,070 --> 00:53:14,590
much about the the cronyism sort of

1268
00:53:19,140 --> 00:53:17,080
thing as I think that Reid was convinced

1269
00:53:20,940 --> 00:53:19,150
he even said John Glenn that was really

1270
00:53:23,310 --> 00:53:20,950
interesting that John Glenn had told him

1271
00:53:23,940 --> 00:53:23,320
you need to look into UFOs we had never

1272
00:53:26,310 --> 00:53:23,950
heard that

1273
00:53:28,410 --> 00:53:26,320
four so that was fascinating so he was

1274
00:53:30,329 --> 00:53:28,420
convinced by big Lo and John Glenn who

1275
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:30,339
knows at what else that this was

1276
00:53:34,589 --> 00:53:31,690
something that we really needed to look

1277
00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:34,599
into so he started the project Bigelow

1278
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:37,089
of course having the resources having

1279
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:39,760
the interest was it was one of the few

1280
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:41,650
people out there who believe in UFOs are

1281
00:53:45,420 --> 00:53:43,570
gonna put their neck out there to run

1282
00:53:46,109 --> 00:53:45,430
something like it had and had the money

1283
00:53:50,550 --> 00:53:46,119
to do it

1284
00:53:53,339 --> 00:53:50,560
interesting for Kevin in 2010 and myself

1285
00:53:55,380 --> 00:53:53,349
with MUFON in 2009 little did we know

1286
00:53:57,690 --> 00:53:55,390
when when Bigelow was starting to work

1287
00:53:59,880 --> 00:53:57,700
with MUFON and researchers that this is

1288
00:54:01,680 --> 00:53:59,890
where part of the project or at least

1289
00:54:03,660 --> 00:54:01,690
this project was going on at the same

1290
00:54:07,140 --> 00:54:03,670
time perhaps that's even where the

1291
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:07,150
funding came from so I think that's what

1292
00:54:10,910 --> 00:54:08,800
it's all about big was really interested

1293
00:54:13,020 --> 00:54:10,920
on and you know a little bit more of a

1294
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:13,030
something that would have worked for him

1295
00:54:18,210 --> 00:54:15,910
he was looking for technologies that he

1296
00:54:20,730 --> 00:54:18,220
could then develop into Bigelow

1297
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:20,740
Aerospace he he didn't apparently find

1298
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:22,690
any because he eventually bought a

1299
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:26,800
program that NASA kind of shelved and so

1300
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,720
it's very human technology that now he's

1301
00:54:32,940 --> 00:54:30,400
developing and working with NASA with

1302
00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:32,950
but that's what he was trying to do and

1303
00:54:38,190 --> 00:54:35,470
one other point just real quick on the

1304
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:38,200
closing of blue book I think another

1305
00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:41,410
thing that they really need to highlight

1306
00:54:45,780 --> 00:54:43,630
and is a very important part of that

1307
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:45,790
history is I think it was the bollinger

1308
00:54:51,450 --> 00:54:49,119
memo but essentially a memo where one of

1309
00:54:53,730 --> 00:54:51,460
the guys essentially had said hey he was

1310
00:54:55,650 --> 00:54:53,740
it we don't care if they close blue book

1311
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:55,660
because the important cases we send

1312
00:54:59,700 --> 00:54:58,210
elsewhere anyway and we shot very

1313
00:55:01,260 --> 00:54:59,710
important we should point out the

1314
00:55:02,490 --> 00:55:01,270
bollinger was a brigadier general in the

1315
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:02,500
Air Force at the time he made that

1316
00:55:05,220 --> 00:55:03,970
announcement that's a very important

1317
00:55:07,020 --> 00:55:05,230
thing to know it wasn't some second

1318
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:07,030
lieutenant or some master sergeants

1319
00:55:09,690 --> 00:55:08,290
saying and it was a brigadier general

1320
00:55:11,579 --> 00:55:09,700
who was making that comment at the

1321
00:55:14,790 --> 00:55:11,589
important cases we're not part of the

1322
00:55:17,339 --> 00:55:14,800
Blue Book system well gentlemen I wish

1323
00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:17,349
we had more time because this is a real

1324
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:20,140
fascinating topic and we're just gonna

1325
00:55:25,170 --> 00:55:22,170
see what happens in the next you know

1326
00:55:27,450 --> 00:55:25,180
like I had said to Alejandro before you

1327
00:55:29,339 --> 00:55:27,460
came on Kevin uh you know it's almost

1328
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:29,349
like we need to strike or keep this

1329
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:31,690
thing alive because news fades so

1330
00:55:37,390 --> 00:55:35,290
quickly these days you know so I think

1331
00:55:40,030 --> 00:55:37,400
this is an opportunity for

1332
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:40,040
you know for this subject to be looked

1333
00:55:44,350 --> 00:55:42,770
at real seriously I'm gonna try to get

1334
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:44,360
something up on my blog here in the next

1335
00:55:48,580 --> 00:55:46,130
few days talking about this specifically

1336
00:55:51,490 --> 00:55:48,590
it is another way of kind of spreading

1337
00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:51,500
the word out yeah excellent thanks so

1338
00:55:57,070 --> 00:55:53,360
much Kevin and Alejandro thank you as

1339
00:55:59,170 --> 00:55:57,080
well my pleasure and I'll talk to you

1340
00:56:04,090 --> 00:55:59,180
real soon everyone why Alejandro later

1341
00:56:08,380 --> 00:56:04,100
see ya alright so now it's time to get

1342
00:56:12,550 --> 00:56:08,390
our guest Peter Davenport and we're

1343
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:12,560
gonna be ringing him right now and again

1344
00:56:17,530 --> 00:56:14,690
you know I'm gonna have a show producer

1345
00:56:21,490 --> 00:56:17,540
doing all this stuff so hopefully it'll

1346
00:56:25,090 --> 00:56:21,500
be seamless coming up good Martin hello

1347
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:25,100
Peter how are you I'm doing well thanks

1348
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:29,450
so much we have just talked for Oh about

1349
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:34,010
an hour about this you know this amazing

1350
00:56:37,870 --> 00:56:35,930
story that just broke in the New York

1351
00:56:40,420 --> 00:56:37,880
Times have you been following that

1352
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:40,430
actually I have indeed I think I've

1353
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:44,240
received probably 250 copies I'm in the

1354
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:46,730
article over the last week or five days

1355
00:56:51,220 --> 00:56:49,040
yeah III too

1356
00:56:52,780 --> 00:56:51,230
you know people have been really kind in

1357
00:56:53,980 --> 00:56:52,790
that way sending all the different

1358
00:56:57,460 --> 00:56:53,990
things that have come out in all the

1359
00:56:59,380 --> 00:56:57,470
different media to me and you know I

1360
00:57:02,560 --> 00:56:59,390
don't think I've ever gotten more email

1361
00:57:04,030 --> 00:57:02,570
about the UFO subject in my life yeah

1362
00:57:07,150 --> 00:57:04,040
it's really stirred the hornet's nest

1363
00:57:10,690 --> 00:57:07,160
and it seems to be a significant change

1364
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:10,700
in how people are taking the UFO

1365
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:14,330
phenomenon of course we devotees or feel

1366
00:57:19,540 --> 00:57:16,880
we know what's going on to a degree but

1367
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:19,550
the rest of the world is sort of it has

1368
00:57:23,170 --> 00:57:21,530
been sort of blase on the subject I

1369
00:57:25,060 --> 00:57:23,180
think it's going to be much more

1370
00:57:27,790 --> 00:57:25,070
difficult for them to ignore it from

1371
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:27,800
this point forward I totally agree

1372
00:57:35,620 --> 00:57:30,880
so Peter real quickly for the first time

1373
00:57:37,450 --> 00:57:35,630
listener that is you know wants to know

1374
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:37,460
a little bit about you can you just give

1375
00:57:42,420 --> 00:57:40,160
a real quick your background real

1376
00:57:47,980 --> 00:57:42,430
quickly yep

1377
00:57:50,170 --> 00:57:47,990
I'm I guess I should start with my high

1378
00:57:50,890 --> 00:57:50,180
school education I was born and raised

1379
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:50,900
in st. Louis

1380
00:57:59,260 --> 00:57:53,510
Missouri where I saw my first UFO as a

1381
00:58:03,039 --> 00:57:59,270
very young boy in 1954 was then attended

1382
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:03,049
High School in Ethiopia and then finally

1383
00:58:08,019 --> 00:58:04,640
graduated from high school in New

1384
00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:08,029
Hampshire went off to college in

1385
00:58:13,890 --> 00:58:10,910
California at Stanford spent four years

1386
00:58:16,690 --> 00:58:13,900
in the Army as a Russian translator

1387
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:16,700
language I've used a great benefit over

1388
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:23,569
the last 50 years or so and used to be

1389
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:28,130
the field a field investigator and

1390
00:58:32,650 --> 00:58:31,010
director of Investigations for the

1391
00:58:36,460 --> 00:58:32,660
Washington chapter of the mutual UFO

1392
00:58:39,849 --> 00:58:36,470
network back in the 90s and have been

1393
00:58:44,740 --> 00:58:39,859
the director of the national UFO

1394
00:58:47,289 --> 00:58:44,750
Reporting Center since July of 1994

1395
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:47,299
so I mean spent a lot of time both in

1396
00:58:53,650 --> 00:58:49,970
public and private sector I've worked as

1397
00:58:57,309 --> 00:58:53,660
a university instructor flight

1398
00:59:00,190 --> 00:58:57,319
instructor done a great many things but

1399
00:59:02,109 --> 00:59:00,200
none as exciting as my current job as

1400
00:59:06,220 --> 00:59:02,119
director of the national UFO Reporting

1401
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:06,230
Center now Peter I didn't you say that

1402
00:59:10,539 --> 00:59:09,410
your office is in a missile silo do I

1403
00:59:14,170 --> 00:59:10,549
remember that correctly

1404
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:14,180
well people try to put me there I own I

1405
00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:17,569
own an ICBM missile site south of

1406
00:59:23,769 --> 00:59:20,809
Davenport Washington but although my

1407
00:59:29,849 --> 00:59:23,779
intentions were to live there I don't

1408
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:29,859
and because it's a large drafty damp and

1409
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:32,569
it's sort of lonely out there and I

1410
00:59:37,299 --> 00:59:34,730
after I bought it I discovered that I'm

1411
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:37,309
much more socially inclined than I

1412
00:59:44,410 --> 00:59:40,010
thought up to the point I purchased the

1413
00:59:46,809 --> 00:59:44,420
site but I do own it and it's quite a

1414
00:59:49,029 --> 00:59:46,819
remarkable place it's about 18,000

1415
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:49,039
square feet underground Wow

1416
00:59:56,769 --> 00:59:51,410
consists of about two to three million

1417
00:59:57,809 --> 00:59:56,779
tons of concrete and every inch of it

1418
01:00:04,790 --> 00:59:57,819
needs cleaning

1419
01:00:08,210 --> 01:00:04,800
oh my god well so we will tackle you

1420
01:00:09,860 --> 01:00:08,220
course about the sightings the very

1421
01:00:11,570 --> 01:00:09,870
interesting sightings that happened on

1422
01:00:14,090 --> 01:00:11,580
December 9th

1423
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:14,100
want to talk about that but also before

1424
01:00:20,650 --> 01:00:17,250
we go on the your Russian language

1425
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:20,660
background I actually tried to learn

1426
01:00:25,610 --> 01:00:23,850
Russian I know just some words and I can

1427
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:25,620
understand just a little bit of it here

1428
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:28,710
and they're very difficult language how

1429
01:00:33,650 --> 01:00:31,920
has that served you as far as the UFO

1430
01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:33,660
field have you been able to do any

1431
01:00:40,370 --> 01:00:37,110
investigations that interest you in

1432
01:00:40,940 --> 01:00:40,380
Russia or anything I thought not I have

1433
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:40,950
not

1434
01:00:47,860 --> 01:00:43,650
although my ability was Russian they

1435
01:00:51,140 --> 01:00:47,870
introduced me to the well known UFO

1436
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:51,150
personality his name is ah ja ja that's

1437
01:00:56,570 --> 01:00:54,810
his last name I met him in Seattle he

1438
01:01:00,370 --> 01:00:56,580
wanted to meet me when he learned that I

1439
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:00,380
was director of the UFO center here and

1440
01:01:07,820 --> 01:01:03,810
we had a wonderful day together talking

1441
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:07,830
about UFOs and Russia and politics and

1442
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:12,570
so on when I worked in the Soviet Union

1443
01:01:21,950 --> 01:01:17,520
I was a guide and a translator on a US

1444
01:01:26,990 --> 01:01:21,960
exhibit sent to the Soviet Union in 1978

1445
01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:27,000
and 79 and we had up to 25,000 Soviet

1446
01:01:35,390 --> 01:01:31,110
citizens flood through the the exhibit

1447
01:01:38,110 --> 01:01:35,400
every day the the title of the exhibit

1448
01:01:41,450 --> 01:01:38,120
was agriculture in the United States

1449
01:01:45,830 --> 01:01:41,460
CSKA has the I used to fish in Russian

1450
01:01:48,430 --> 01:01:45,840
and when many of the guests that came

1451
01:01:50,900 --> 01:01:48,440
through the Soviet guests or Russians

1452
01:01:54,350 --> 01:01:50,910
discovered that I was interested in UFOs

1453
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:54,360
I was a very popular guide they had

1454
01:02:02,330 --> 01:01:58,160
stories to tell that wouldn't stop and

1455
01:02:05,330 --> 01:02:02,340
so it reinforced what I think we all

1456
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:05,340
know namely this phenomenon the UFO

1457
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:07,200
phenomenon occurs everywhere in the

1458
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:11,130
world I suspect that these UFOs appear

1459
01:02:17,390 --> 01:02:14,010
in every country on the planet so in

1460
01:02:18,380 --> 01:02:17,400
that respect it has been a boon to my

1461
01:02:21,529 --> 01:02:18,390
UFO

1462
01:02:22,970 --> 01:02:21,539
search Wow yeah when I was there I was

1463
01:02:25,789 --> 01:02:22,980
there for a couple of months this year

1464
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:25,799
and had been there the last couple of

1465
01:02:31,849 --> 01:02:29,039
years as well I tried to do as much as I

1466
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:31,859
could as far as trying to connect to

1467
01:02:37,490 --> 01:02:33,839
people in the UFO field it was very

1468
01:02:39,620 --> 01:02:37,500
difficult I finally did but I try to get

1469
01:02:42,289 --> 01:02:39,630
people on the show but they just weren't

1470
01:02:45,769 --> 01:02:42,299
comfortable with their English but the

1471
01:02:48,319 --> 01:02:45,779
bottom line is I did find that there is

1472
01:02:50,539 --> 01:02:48,329
a lot of sightings in Russia and Russia

1473
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:50,549
of course the landmass is the second

1474
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:52,319
largest country you know in the world

1475
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:54,720
but I mean in general you know there's a

1476
01:02:59,509 --> 01:02:57,690
lot going on in Siberia there is

1477
01:03:03,319 --> 01:02:59,519
actually a lot going on on the Black Sea

1478
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:03,329
where I was at so like you said

1479
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:05,250
everywhere in the world it is it is

1480
01:03:10,339 --> 01:03:06,319
fascinating

1481
01:03:17,210 --> 01:03:10,349
well I receive reports from Russia or

1482
01:03:20,210 --> 01:03:17,220
the former Russian Russian areas of the

1483
01:03:21,950 --> 01:03:20,220
country of the Soviet Union on a regular

1484
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:21,960
basis people submit them sometimes

1485
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:24,210
they're submitted in Russian and I have

1486
01:03:29,930 --> 01:03:26,250
an opportunity to use my Russian and

1487
01:03:33,650 --> 01:03:29,940
translate them so it reinforces the

1488
01:03:35,870 --> 01:03:33,660
notion that or the suspicion that these

1489
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:35,880
objects are being seen everywhere I

1490
01:03:41,509 --> 01:03:38,210
often wonder what it must be like to be

1491
01:03:43,370 --> 01:03:41,519
live in a remote area of Africa and have

1492
01:03:47,170 --> 01:03:43,380
one of these things come down over your

1493
01:03:52,039 --> 01:03:47,180
head or be visible to you let's say and

1494
01:03:57,259 --> 01:03:52,049
not know what did or how to report it

1495
01:04:00,499 --> 01:03:57,269
Sarang right they're seen everywhere as

1496
01:04:02,690 --> 01:04:00,509
far as I can tell one of the guests I

1497
01:04:05,450 --> 01:04:02,700
had recently which was a really really

1498
01:04:08,569 --> 01:04:05,460
interesting show a while back was one of

1499
01:04:12,109 --> 01:04:08,579
the Ariel school incident firsthand

1500
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:12,119
witnesses and you know she was in this I

1501
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:14,640
think she was in the sixth grade and she

1502
01:04:23,539 --> 01:04:20,400
said you know she had no idea that a UFO

1503
01:04:26,329 --> 01:04:23,549
you know what a UFO was or the topic had

1504
01:04:27,650 --> 01:04:26,339
never come up and so that's just the

1505
01:04:29,809 --> 01:04:27,660
same thing of basically what you're

1506
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:29,819
saying you know in the remote area where

1507
01:04:35,180 --> 01:04:32,130
someone has no access to say

1508
01:04:38,930 --> 01:04:35,190
Media and sees anything about UFOs or

1509
01:04:41,780 --> 01:04:38,940
any you know movies per se that depict

1510
01:04:44,330 --> 01:04:41,790
you know aliens so to speak or I'm not

1511
01:04:48,650 --> 01:04:44,340
saying that all UFOs or aliens or any of

1512
01:04:50,930 --> 01:04:48,660
them are we don't know but anyway it was

1513
01:04:53,090 --> 01:04:50,940
fascinating to hear her first take on it

1514
01:04:55,940 --> 01:04:53,100
oh yeah that was a very interesting

1515
01:04:58,340 --> 01:04:55,950
incident I commend John Mack for

1516
01:05:00,260 --> 01:04:58,350
publicizing that so extensively right

1517
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:00,270
but a little-known fact among our

1518
01:05:06,340 --> 01:05:02,640
listeners and everybody else probably is

1519
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:06,350
that something very similar happened in

1520
01:05:14,050 --> 01:05:09,810
California exactly one week before the

1521
01:05:17,650 --> 01:05:14,060
aerial the aerial sightings occurred on

1522
01:05:21,740 --> 01:05:17,660
September 16th it was a Friday I believe

1523
01:05:24,170 --> 01:05:21,750
1994 right but I had taken a series of

1524
01:05:27,020 --> 01:05:24,180
reports from I believe it's Cameron

1525
01:05:32,030 --> 01:05:27,030
California I'm going on memory this is

1526
01:05:32,930 --> 01:05:32,040
all 23 years ago now or more camera in

1527
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:32,940
California

1528
01:05:39,710 --> 01:05:37,250
I took a report from a an FAA

1529
01:05:42,290 --> 01:05:39,720
air-traffic supervisor who called me up

1530
01:05:45,130 --> 01:05:42,300
and said that they were seeing all sorts

1531
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:45,140
of unidentified targets on their radar

1532
01:05:52,420 --> 01:05:48,810
shortly after that I took a report from

1533
01:05:56,900 --> 01:05:52,430
a couple of women who were cleaning a

1534
01:05:59,870 --> 01:05:56,910
large building in Santa Barbara they had

1535
01:06:01,910 --> 01:05:59,880
seen a disc go right by their window but

1536
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:01,920
the reason I tell this story is later

1537
01:06:09,050 --> 01:06:05,730
that morning I got a call this is now

1538
01:06:11,810 --> 01:06:09,060
some Friday afternoon after I had taken

1539
01:06:15,380 --> 01:06:11,820
the call earlier that morning from a

1540
01:06:17,810 --> 01:06:15,390
young or it was a story they the woman

1541
01:06:20,660 --> 01:06:17,820
who called was a nurse at a school and

1542
01:06:23,300 --> 01:06:20,670
she was calling to relate how earlier

1543
01:06:26,030 --> 01:06:23,310
that morning one of the students at her

1544
01:06:29,690 --> 01:06:26,040
school in Northern California had come

1545
01:06:32,020 --> 01:06:29,700
into her office crime recounting how she

1546
01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:32,030
had been standing at the bus stop at

1547
01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:35,460
5:30 or 6 o'clock in the morning and a

1548
01:06:40,730 --> 01:06:37,710
little gray creature had come up to her

1549
01:06:44,059 --> 01:06:40,740
and said essentially do you want to take

1550
01:06:48,380 --> 01:06:44,069
a ride in my spaceship

1551
01:06:50,959 --> 01:06:48,390
and you some of the well the report is

1552
01:06:58,189 --> 01:06:50,969
posted to our website I think it would

1553
01:07:01,459 --> 01:06:58,199
be for the 9th of September 1994 and it

1554
01:07:04,009 --> 01:07:01,469
was a very convincing set of reports

1555
01:07:06,859 --> 01:07:04,019
that I took in rapid sequence and it's

1556
01:07:09,799 --> 01:07:06,869
very similar to the aerial incident that

1557
01:07:12,009 --> 01:07:09,809
occurred exactly one week later that

1558
01:07:16,039 --> 01:07:12,019
amazing Wow I'd never heard of that one

1559
01:07:18,019 --> 01:07:16,049
yeah yeah I mean you know you're so you

1560
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:18,029
know boots on the ground as far as the

1561
01:07:24,289 --> 01:07:22,170
reporting's go you know I'm sure after

1562
01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:24,299
all these years you've heard just some

1563
01:07:29,569 --> 01:07:26,910
amazing things and you know right off

1564
01:07:31,370 --> 01:07:29,579
the bat what what would you say some of

1565
01:07:33,319 --> 01:07:31,380
the besides December 9th which we'll

1566
01:07:37,579 --> 01:07:33,329
talk about what has been some of the

1567
01:07:40,670 --> 01:07:37,589
really amazing incidences that we were

1568
01:07:43,099 --> 01:07:40,680
reported to you yeah well the one that

1569
01:07:47,479 --> 01:07:43,109
always comes to mind immediately when

1570
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:47,489
people often ask what's the most

1571
01:07:52,099 --> 01:07:49,650
dramatic event you've ever covered and I

1572
01:07:53,630 --> 01:07:52,109
think without a doubt it was the Phoenix

1573
01:07:57,859 --> 01:07:53,640
lights event I thought you're going to

1574
01:08:00,229 --> 01:07:57,869
say that March 13 1997 yeah a lot of

1575
01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:00,239
people are aware of the Phoenix lights

1576
01:08:14,809 --> 01:08:08,870
but they're probably not aware of how

1577
01:08:17,390 --> 01:08:14,819
large those objects were and I can share

1578
01:08:20,089 --> 01:08:17,400
that will allow anybody with even a

1579
01:08:23,180 --> 01:08:20,099
primitive grasp of trigonometry to do

1580
01:08:25,459 --> 01:08:23,190
their own calculation the object that

1581
01:08:28,849 --> 01:08:25,469
was hovering seen hovering by a

1582
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:28,859
multitude of people over Camelback

1583
01:08:35,959 --> 01:08:32,089
Mountain which is a prominent feature of

1584
01:08:38,899 --> 01:08:35,969
Phoenix just probably about four or five

1585
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:38,909
miles north of Sky Harbor Airport the

1586
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:41,040
object at that point we know from

1587
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:43,679
testimony by a fighter pilot was at

1588
01:08:48,410 --> 01:08:46,560
9,000 feet above ground level so just

1589
01:08:52,010 --> 01:08:48,420
almost two miles above ground level

1590
01:08:56,019 --> 01:08:52,020
mm-hmm but to the people on the ground

1591
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:56,029
it's subtended an arc it filled the sky

1592
01:08:59,599 --> 01:08:57,600
subtended an arc of

1593
01:09:01,970 --> 01:08:59,609
about a hundred and thirty five degrees

1594
01:09:06,140 --> 01:09:01,980
in other words more than a third of the

1595
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:06,150
circle and if you do the trigonometry

1596
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:08,730
you quickly realize that that object was

1597
01:09:15,530 --> 01:09:12,690
more than eight miles in width if this

1598
01:09:18,170 --> 01:09:15,540
information is correct oh my god I've

1599
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:18,180
heard I've heard people suggested being

1600
01:09:25,820 --> 01:09:22,650
a mile wide that's it Wow was vastly

1601
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:25,830
larger than a mile wide and again I

1602
01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:28,560
would invite any of our listeners to

1603
01:09:34,730 --> 01:09:31,710
draw a diagram an object 9,000 feet

1604
01:09:36,500 --> 01:09:34,740
above your head it intersects about a

1605
01:09:40,099 --> 01:09:36,510
hundred and thirty five degrees of arc

1606
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:40,109
of the sky it completely blotted out the

1607
01:09:46,340 --> 01:09:43,410
Stars overhead and it hovered there

1608
01:09:48,410 --> 01:09:46,350
motionless for five minutes and then

1609
01:09:51,980 --> 01:09:48,420
suddenly fired what appeared to be a

1610
01:09:55,100 --> 01:09:51,990
laser-like beam of white light at the

1611
01:09:57,770 --> 01:09:55,110
ground and then suddenly jump down and

1612
01:10:01,160 --> 01:09:57,780
hovered over Sky Harbor Airport in fact

1613
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:01,170
at least one airliner the crew the

1614
01:10:06,290 --> 01:10:03,810
captain and first officer refused to

1615
01:10:09,950 --> 01:10:06,300
leave their gate as long as that object

1616
01:10:11,780 --> 01:10:09,960
was above their aircraft at the airport

1617
01:10:15,710 --> 01:10:11,790
there Wow Wow

1618
01:10:18,260 --> 01:10:15,720
so while this was happening were you

1619
01:10:21,650 --> 01:10:18,270
getting reports actively during the

1620
01:10:23,210 --> 01:10:21,660
sighting dozens one right after the

1621
01:10:25,940 --> 01:10:23,220
other the phone was ringing off the hook

1622
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:25,950
with callers from Phoenix and

1623
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:28,110
surrounding communities and even

1624
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:32,490
neighboring states reported it New

1625
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:35,520
Mexico reported it Nevada

1626
01:10:40,580 --> 01:10:38,370
reported the starting point from my

1627
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:40,590
vantage point of the Phoenix lights is

1628
01:10:46,430 --> 01:10:44,400
Henderson Nevada for which I have a very

1629
01:10:49,100 --> 01:10:46,440
nice written report from a gentleman who

1630
01:10:53,210 --> 01:10:49,110
saw these objects heading to the

1631
01:10:57,170 --> 01:10:53,220
southeast towards Arizona towards

1632
01:11:00,920 --> 01:10:57,180
Phoenix so I I can't tell you how many

1633
01:11:04,330 --> 01:11:00,930
calls I got with any great accuracy but

1634
01:11:06,650 --> 01:11:04,340
I can say that the phone was ringing

1635
01:11:09,410 --> 01:11:06,660
faster than I could answer it at many

1636
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:09,420
times during that night and probably the

1637
01:11:13,790 --> 01:11:11,520
most interesting call of all

1638
01:11:16,190 --> 01:11:13,800
that I received was about eight hours

1639
01:11:20,210 --> 01:11:16,200
after the Phoenix lights event occurred

1640
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:20,220
I got a telephone call from a gentleman

1641
01:11:26,060 --> 01:11:23,130
who identified himself as a airman in

1642
01:11:30,650 --> 01:11:26,070
the US Air Force and he had been

1643
01:11:33,500 --> 01:11:30,660
involved in the scramble of two f-15c

1644
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:33,510
model fighter jets that had gone

1645
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:36,570
screaming out of Luke Air Force Base

1646
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:40,410
located just west of Phoenix and when

1647
01:11:47,900 --> 01:11:44,730
those jets returned to base he had he

1648
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:47,910
was involved in helping the pilot get

1649
01:11:52,460 --> 01:11:49,890
out of his cockpit the pilot for some

1650
01:11:54,710 --> 01:11:52,470
reason had difficulty getting out of the

1651
01:11:59,600 --> 01:11:54,720
pilot under out of the cockpit under his

1652
01:12:01,850 --> 01:11:59,610
own steam so there were a lot of things

1653
01:12:04,370 --> 01:12:01,860
that took place that night and most

1654
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:04,380
Americans tragically are still not aware

1655
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:08,730
of how dramatic that event was now what

1656
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:11,970
can you give any details about what he

1657
01:12:19,820 --> 01:12:16,050
said about the pilot yes the pilot could

1658
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:19,830
not undo his own lap straps and chest

1659
01:12:26,420 --> 01:12:22,530
straps and chin straps so his crew

1660
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:26,430
raised the canopy for him they undid his

1661
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:28,560
straps and they physically lifted him

1662
01:12:35,330 --> 01:12:32,640
out as the pilot was being lifted out he

1663
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:35,340
was telling his crew what he had just

1664
01:12:40,190 --> 01:12:37,290
experienced what he'd just been through

1665
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,200
and what he had seen he told them

1666
01:12:46,460 --> 01:12:42,480
according to this tape recorded

1667
01:12:50,090 --> 01:12:46,470
conversation that as he was approaching

1668
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:50,100
the object from the north the left-hand

1669
01:12:56,150 --> 01:12:53,760
wingtip was at his nine o'clock position

1670
01:12:59,000 --> 01:12:56,160
as he viewed viewed the object through

1671
01:13:01,340 --> 01:12:59,010
his canopy the right-hand wingtip of it

1672
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:01,350
was at his three o'clock position in

1673
01:13:07,610 --> 01:13:03,930
other words the object was so large that

1674
01:13:12,020 --> 01:13:07,620
it completely filled his the sides of

1675
01:13:18,260 --> 01:13:12,030
his canopy and his windscreen and they

1676
01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:18,270
intercepted it and at one point the all

1677
01:13:25,459 --> 01:13:23,100
the instrumentation on his instrument

1678
01:13:28,819 --> 01:13:25,469
panel went to white noise the

1679
01:13:31,909 --> 01:13:28,829
scream on the instrument panel went to

1680
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:31,919
white noise and at that point I'm I

1681
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:36,719
suspect that the fighter pilot just

1682
01:13:43,509 --> 01:13:39,840
broke off the intercept he said not only

1683
01:13:47,509 --> 01:13:43,519
did his radar screen go to white noise

1684
01:13:50,810 --> 01:13:47,519
but all the lights on the craft dimmed

1685
01:13:54,770 --> 01:13:50,820
so now he's streaking at an object that

1686
01:13:57,020 --> 01:13:54,780
is immense by his measure and he cannot

1687
01:13:59,870 --> 01:13:57,030
see it visually and he cannot see it on

1688
01:14:01,939 --> 01:13:59,880
his radar at that point I strongly

1689
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:01,949
suspect he broke off the intercept

1690
01:14:06,739 --> 01:14:04,169
returned to base and that's when he

1691
01:14:09,279 --> 01:14:06,749
started telling the stories about what

1692
01:14:13,250 --> 01:14:09,289
had happened to the to his ground crew

1693
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:13,260
amazing so it sounds like it sounds like

1694
01:14:17,779 --> 01:14:15,449
he was a basket case basically and just

1695
01:14:19,879 --> 01:14:17,789
couldn't you know couldn't deal with it

1696
01:14:23,089 --> 01:14:19,889
and had trouble you know getting out of

1697
01:14:26,919 --> 01:14:23,099
the cockpit as you say well it was lucid

1698
01:14:30,469 --> 01:14:26,929
enough to be able to talk coherently and

1699
01:14:32,989 --> 01:14:30,479
to recount what he had been through I

1700
01:14:35,870 --> 01:14:32,999
suspect if his commander had known what

1701
01:14:38,299 --> 01:14:35,880
he was doing there he would have spoken

1702
01:14:40,549 --> 01:14:38,309
to that pilot pretty firmly yeah but

1703
01:14:43,310 --> 01:14:40,559
after they got the pilot out of the

1704
01:14:46,549 --> 01:14:43,320
cockpit and standing up on the platform

1705
01:14:49,489 --> 01:14:46,559
next to the aircraft the airmen who

1706
01:14:51,739 --> 01:14:49,499
called me race went down off the

1707
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:51,749
platform raced around to the right side

1708
01:14:59,390 --> 01:14:55,199
of the aircraft and pulled the video

1709
01:15:03,830 --> 01:14:59,400
tape out of a canister it was a lantern

1710
01:15:07,129 --> 01:15:03,840
to canister or Lantern to pod and I

1711
01:15:11,029 --> 01:15:07,139
pulled the video tape out of it and

1712
01:15:13,689 --> 01:15:11,039
raced it to awaiting t39 executive jet

1713
01:15:17,359 --> 01:15:13,699
that had its engines running already

1714
01:15:21,489 --> 01:15:17,369
they threw the video tapes in there in

1715
01:15:24,379 --> 01:15:21,499
the t 39 which closed its door and

1716
01:15:27,290 --> 01:15:24,389
revved up its engines and taxing out to

1717
01:15:29,959 --> 01:15:27,300
the main runway and flew off into the

1718
01:15:33,259 --> 01:15:29,969
night for what destination we have no

1719
01:15:35,870 --> 01:15:33,269
idea but I presume they flew those tapes

1720
01:15:39,059 --> 01:15:35,880
to Washington DC yeah you know it's

1721
01:15:42,839 --> 01:15:39,069
amazing to think that somewhere those

1722
01:15:45,779 --> 01:15:42,849
tapes exist and what amazing footage

1723
01:15:48,329 --> 01:15:45,789
that must be yeah and that's the same

1724
01:15:52,259 --> 01:15:48,339
government that's denying at least up

1725
01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:52,269
until last weekend is denying the mere

1726
01:15:57,839 --> 01:15:55,209
American citizen access to all this

1727
01:16:01,049 --> 01:15:57,849
information which the American taxpayer

1728
01:16:04,919 --> 01:16:01,059
has paid for and paid for dearly to be

1729
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:04,929
collected right right and together and

1730
01:16:07,979 --> 01:16:05,679
appropriate

1731
01:16:10,109 --> 01:16:07,989
yeah and along those lines you know I

1732
01:16:12,929 --> 01:16:10,119
had Kevin Randall was on for a little

1733
01:16:15,509 --> 01:16:12,939
bit just a little while ago and you know

1734
01:16:20,219 --> 01:16:15,519
basically said the air force's job is to

1735
01:16:24,329 --> 01:16:20,229
protect the skies and you know when they

1736
01:16:26,250 --> 01:16:24,339
can not at least have window-dressing

1737
01:16:29,909 --> 01:16:26,260
enough to show that they're protecting

1738
01:16:31,770 --> 01:16:29,919
the skies I'm sure that is you know 99%

1739
01:16:34,219 --> 01:16:31,780
of the reason why we don't have that

1740
01:16:39,089 --> 01:16:34,229
information is because they're helpless

1741
01:16:42,389 --> 01:16:39,099
yeah that could well be clearly we don't

1742
01:16:44,819 --> 01:16:42,399
have the technology that we've designed

1743
01:16:47,250 --> 01:16:44,829
and built on this planet that would

1744
01:16:50,669 --> 01:16:47,260
allow us to defend our planet from the

1745
01:16:53,339 --> 01:16:50,679
type of technology we think we see in

1746
01:16:54,059 --> 01:16:53,349
discussing the UFO phenomenon right

1747
01:16:57,839 --> 01:16:54,069
right

1748
01:17:01,439 --> 01:16:57,849
so back in 1997 you know the internet

1749
01:17:04,379 --> 01:17:01,449
was you know fairly active is that how

1750
01:17:08,489 --> 01:17:04,389
people found your phone number as far as

1751
01:17:10,679 --> 01:17:08,499
calling to report this no I think there

1752
01:17:12,869 --> 01:17:10,689
are other means for them to discover our

1753
01:17:15,059 --> 01:17:12,879
number as well the national UFO

1754
01:17:18,059 --> 01:17:15,069
Reporting Center was set up by my

1755
01:17:22,529 --> 01:17:18,069
predecessor as director his name was

1756
01:17:28,309 --> 01:17:22,539
Robert J Gribble and he was a Seattle

1757
01:17:30,719 --> 01:17:28,319
fireman from his career as an adult and

1758
01:17:33,109 --> 01:17:30,729
he was very interested in the UFO

1759
01:17:35,579 --> 01:17:33,119
phenomenon from the late 40s perhaps

1760
01:17:38,339 --> 01:17:35,589
starting with the Kenneth Arnold case

1761
01:17:43,649 --> 01:17:38,349
that began in the state of Washington as

1762
01:17:48,899 --> 01:17:43,659
you may know mm-hmm and Bob invited for

1763
01:17:51,809 --> 01:17:48,909
example he invited many of the prominent

1764
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:51,819
figures in ufology to the state of

1765
01:17:55,530 --> 01:17:53,130
Washington to speak

1766
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:55,540
well when he retired from the Seattle

1767
01:18:00,540 --> 01:17:56,650
Fire Department

1768
01:18:03,630 --> 01:18:00,550
I believe in 1994 he argued that what we

1769
01:18:05,790 --> 01:18:03,640
needed was one telephone number of

1770
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:05,800
course 1974

1771
01:18:15,630 --> 01:18:12,610
did I say 94 1974 they long before the

1772
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:15,640
advent of the internet so telephonic

1773
01:18:21,180 --> 01:18:17,530
communication was about the best means

1774
01:18:23,820 --> 01:18:21,190
of communicating there was so he set up

1775
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:23,830
the national UFO Reporting Center and

1776
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:27,040
its associated hotline and we've had

1777
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:29,770
that same number telephone number ever

1778
01:18:35,220 --> 01:18:33,040
since area code two oh six seven two to

1779
01:18:40,020 --> 01:18:35,230
three thousand and that is what I

1780
01:18:41,850 --> 01:18:40,030
inherited in 1994 when I took over the

1781
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:41,860
reins for Bob he'd done it for twenty

1782
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:44,080
years and I think he had grown very

1783
01:18:52,020 --> 01:18:47,290
tired he was meticulous and thorough in

1784
01:18:54,959 --> 01:18:52,030
his job and I suspect after 20 years he

1785
01:18:56,820 --> 01:18:54,969
had probably had enough speaking now I

1786
01:19:01,650 --> 01:18:56,830
don't want to stay on this too long but

1787
01:19:06,030 --> 01:19:01,660
I'd like to talk about a negative thing

1788
01:19:08,510 --> 01:19:06,040
and that is you're getting prank call

1789
01:19:12,959 --> 01:19:08,520
after prank call after prank call

1790
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:12,969
hundreds a day hundreds a day and I

1791
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:16,960
would like to invite the listener to to

1792
01:19:25,830 --> 01:19:20,410
email me that's Martin at podcast UFO

1793
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:25,840
calm for any ideas on how to stop how to

1794
01:19:29,580 --> 01:19:27,730
stop these prank calls from coming in

1795
01:19:33,420 --> 01:19:29,590
because you're talking about 10,000 of

1796
01:19:36,450 --> 01:19:33,430
them since it started and so please do

1797
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:36,460
email me and what have you done so far

1798
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:39,370
to try to curtail that well I've talked

1799
01:19:44,270 --> 01:19:41,650
to an attorney initially she said she

1800
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:44,280
thought we had a very good case for

1801
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:46,930
internet harassment which is a federal

1802
01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:48,850
crime I'm led to believe from what she

1803
01:19:53,790 --> 01:19:52,000
said then I was directed to our US

1804
01:19:56,250 --> 01:19:53,800
senator I haven't followed through on

1805
01:19:59,190 --> 01:19:56,260
that because it's just not clear to me

1806
01:20:03,810 --> 01:19:59,200
what a u.s. senator could do just last

1807
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:03,820
week I went to the FBI website and there

1808
01:20:10,090 --> 01:20:05,690
is a page

1809
01:20:14,170 --> 01:20:10,100
it's called ic3 i the letter i letter

1810
01:20:18,670 --> 01:20:14,180
see number three dot-com that allows

1811
01:20:22,990 --> 01:20:18,680
people to submit complaints to the FBI

1812
01:20:26,290 --> 01:20:23,000
which they and i have not followed

1813
01:20:28,030 --> 01:20:26,300
through on that i'm taking so many prank

1814
01:20:31,630 --> 01:20:28,040
calls i haven't had the time to craft

1815
01:20:34,510 --> 01:20:31,640
the careful letter where i'd like to

1816
01:20:38,140 --> 01:20:34,520
submit to explain to the FBI what's

1817
01:20:41,940 --> 01:20:38,150
going on once I get that done it may it

1818
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:41,950
may curtail some of these calls but now

1819
01:20:48,010 --> 01:20:44,090
we know who did it

1820
01:20:51,010 --> 01:20:48,020
some time on or about the 26th of August

1821
01:20:56,290 --> 01:20:51,020
a Saturday a young woman from Portland

1822
01:21:00,130 --> 01:20:56,300
age 24 placed a video on YouTube with

1823
01:21:04,180 --> 01:21:00,140
nine what she calls scary numbers scary

1824
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:04,190
telephone numbers and the ninth one it

1825
01:21:09,730 --> 01:21:06,050
looks like it was tagged on at the end

1826
01:21:12,430 --> 01:21:09,740
is the hotline number for the national

1827
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:12,440
UFO Reporting Center well all of that

1828
01:21:18,580 --> 01:21:14,480
was ten or eleven thousand prank calls

1829
01:21:24,490 --> 01:21:18,590
ago I have it's roundly disappointing

1830
01:21:26,860 --> 01:21:24,500
how many young ill-tempered foul-mouthed

1831
01:21:29,140 --> 01:21:26,870
youth there are in our nation who are

1832
01:21:34,030 --> 01:21:29,150
willing to call a perfect stranger and

1833
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:34,040
just spew the most god-awful quadruple

1834
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:36,170
x-rated profanity you've ever heard in

1835
01:21:39,070 --> 01:21:36,560
your life

1836
01:21:41,230 --> 01:21:39,080
that's what America has declined to

1837
01:21:45,010 --> 01:21:41,240
Peter I'm really sorry to hear that

1838
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:45,020
because you are trying to do a good

1839
01:21:52,150 --> 01:21:48,050
honest job and collect data and it's

1840
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:52,160
just not right and I've heard you talk

1841
01:21:57,220 --> 01:21:54,170
about this on coast-to-coast a couple of

1842
01:21:58,840 --> 01:21:57,230
times and it really really bothers me I

1843
01:22:01,780 --> 01:21:58,850
wish there was something that I could do

1844
01:22:03,340 --> 01:22:01,790
to help you and perhaps one of the

1845
01:22:05,980 --> 01:22:03,350
listeners out there will have a

1846
01:22:07,540 --> 01:22:05,990
suggestion they'll email me that might

1847
01:22:10,900 --> 01:22:07,550
help you in some way other than what

1848
01:22:13,690 --> 01:22:10,910
you've already tried to do yeah so well

1849
01:22:17,260 --> 01:22:13,700
I appreciate your kind words and your

1850
01:22:19,029 --> 01:22:17,270
effort to help and appreciate in advance

1851
01:22:22,509 --> 01:22:19,039
my thanks in advance ting

1852
01:22:25,209 --> 01:22:22,519
your listeners you might submit ideas

1853
01:22:27,369 --> 01:22:25,219
that end up working I've had many many

1854
01:22:29,799 --> 01:22:27,379
people submit recommendations like

1855
01:22:32,199 --> 01:22:29,809
blowing a police whistle in the phone

1856
01:22:36,729 --> 01:22:32,209
and so on as you know

1857
01:22:39,009 --> 01:22:36,739
and yeah but you have to be careful

1858
01:22:41,409 --> 01:22:39,019
because you can annoy somebody to the

1859
01:22:43,539 --> 01:22:41,419
extent that it worsens the situation and

1860
01:22:45,939 --> 01:22:43,549
I do exactly yeah exactly

1861
01:22:50,079 --> 01:22:45,949
yeah it's it's a it's just helplessness

1862
01:22:51,639 --> 01:22:50,089
and and you know to try to figure out

1863
01:22:54,279 --> 01:22:51,649
how to screen the calls coming in is

1864
01:22:57,039 --> 01:22:54,289
another you know difficult thing to do

1865
01:23:00,069 --> 01:22:57,049
because unless they're coming from the

1866
01:23:03,369 --> 01:23:00,079
same number or you know you may have

1867
01:23:06,579 --> 01:23:03,379
legitimate numbers coming from a caller

1868
01:23:10,419 --> 01:23:06,589
ID you know that's unknown so I mean I'm

1869
01:23:12,609 --> 01:23:10,429
sure that happens as well yeah right

1870
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:12,619
it's changed the way in which I use the

1871
01:23:15,399 --> 01:23:15,199
hotline because I now turn the ringer

1872
01:23:20,770 --> 01:23:15,409
off

1873
01:23:23,919 --> 01:23:20,780
and screen calls according to the caller

1874
01:23:27,789 --> 01:23:23,929
ID if it's somebody who is a private

1875
01:23:29,770 --> 01:23:27,799
caller or unknown name I just don't

1876
01:23:32,709 --> 01:23:29,780
answer the call because almost

1877
01:23:36,069 --> 01:23:32,719
invariably those are prank calls and

1878
01:23:39,279 --> 01:23:36,079
I've just grown very tired of it now we

1879
01:23:42,039 --> 01:23:39,289
have a police officer in the that I'd

1880
01:23:45,579 --> 01:23:42,049
actually know who actually comes here

1881
01:23:48,039 --> 01:23:45,589
sometimes and joins in Donnie and he's

1882
01:23:50,979 --> 01:23:48,049
saying that you should consider a two

1883
01:23:52,989 --> 01:23:50,989
step reporting process where the report

1884
01:23:55,449 --> 01:23:52,999
of fills out a basic form and supplies a

1885
01:23:57,239 --> 01:23:55,459
callback number I'm sure you've already

1886
01:24:00,219 --> 01:23:57,249
thought of that or something similar

1887
01:24:02,199 --> 01:24:00,229
that's pretty much what we do I should

1888
01:24:04,299 --> 01:24:02,209
describe for a moment the way I run the

1889
01:24:07,989 --> 01:24:04,309
hotline and the national UFO Reporting

1890
01:24:11,109 --> 01:24:07,999
Center I take the position Martin that

1891
01:24:14,859 --> 01:24:11,119
the only kind of report that counts for

1892
01:24:16,770 --> 01:24:14,869
anything is a written report one of the

1893
01:24:19,659 --> 01:24:16,780
hardest things I've ever done in my life

1894
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:19,669
has been trying to get Americans to

1895
01:24:24,849 --> 01:24:22,639
write things down invariably

1896
01:24:27,969 --> 01:24:24,859
when they call the hotline they want Oh

1897
01:24:30,099 --> 01:24:27,979
half an hour maybe an hour tops two

1898
01:24:32,259 --> 01:24:30,109
hours to tell me all about their

1899
01:24:32,620 --> 01:24:32,269
sighting obviously I don't have enough

1900
01:24:36,250 --> 01:24:32,630
time

1901
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:36,260
my day to accommodate everybody's desire

1902
01:24:42,220 --> 01:24:39,440
and wish to tell me the whole story so

1903
01:24:44,110 --> 01:24:42,230
what I do is listen to maybe a fifteen

1904
01:24:47,050 --> 01:24:44,120
or thirty second description of what

1905
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:47,060
they saw to get a rough idea and filter

1906
01:24:53,919 --> 01:24:49,850
out things like sightings of Venus or

1907
01:24:56,110 --> 01:24:53,929
Jupiter or missile launches there are a

1908
01:24:58,780 --> 01:24:56,120
lot of there's a lot of chaff that comes

1909
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:58,790
in here that has absolutely nothing to

1910
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:02,000
do with UFOs so I try to filter that out

1911
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:03,650
as quickly as I can

1912
01:25:09,850 --> 01:25:06,770
but then I invite the people to sit down

1913
01:25:12,729 --> 01:25:09,860
at a computer and type up a detailed

1914
01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:12,739
written description of what they

1915
01:25:17,770 --> 01:25:15,920
allegedly had seen we like to know where

1916
01:25:21,660 --> 01:25:17,780
they were what direction they were

1917
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:21,670
looking the time the date the the

1918
01:25:27,580 --> 01:25:24,730
relative size of the object they saw

1919
01:25:30,189 --> 01:25:27,590
compared to a star or a planet or a full

1920
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:30,199
moon the color whether it was moving how

1921
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:31,250
many of them there were

1922
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:33,920
there are many parameters that can be

1923
01:25:40,590 --> 01:25:37,730
recorded of course and I invite them to

1924
01:25:42,939 --> 01:25:40,600
type up a statement like typing a letter

1925
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:42,949
spellcheck it correct any errors they

1926
01:25:47,229 --> 01:25:45,290
might encounter and then copy and paste

1927
01:25:49,870 --> 01:25:47,239
it into the description box of our

1928
01:25:53,050 --> 01:25:49,880
report form fill in the other boxes and

1929
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:53,060
send us a report almost invariably I

1930
01:26:00,120 --> 01:25:56,650
will post those reports to our website

1931
01:26:03,580 --> 01:26:00,130
irrespective of whether I think they're

1932
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:03,590
addressing a genuine authentic UFO

1933
01:26:08,649 --> 01:26:06,400
sighting oftentimes with a comment

1934
01:26:11,050 --> 01:26:08,659
sometimes I'll make a comment that I

1935
01:26:14,530 --> 01:26:11,060
suspect they were looking at the star

1936
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:14,540
Sirius or the star capella or our Taurus

1937
01:26:21,580 --> 01:26:19,010
or some celestial body there are many

1938
01:26:26,110 --> 01:26:21,590
many reports of those items in the night

1939
01:26:28,390 --> 01:26:26,120
sky and then post the report and I'm

1940
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:28,400
very liberal with what I allow to be

1941
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:30,250
posted so long as it does not contain

1942
01:26:40,899 --> 01:26:37,520
profanity I am inclined to post it just

1943
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:40,909
to let the world know that we've

1944
01:26:45,950 --> 01:26:43,130
received the report and that we suspect

1945
01:26:48,620 --> 01:26:45,960
it's some kind of description of acid

1946
01:26:49,729 --> 01:26:48,630
your body or an aircraft or something

1947
01:26:52,580 --> 01:26:49,739
along those lines

1948
01:26:54,500 --> 01:26:52,590
yeah some a lot of UFO videos I'm sure

1949
01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:54,510
you know people are so shocked that

1950
01:26:59,600 --> 01:26:57,090
there is a lot of profanity and that in

1951
01:27:02,690 --> 01:26:59,610
them you know they don't understand what

1952
01:27:05,060 --> 01:27:02,700
they're seeing basically so now a

1953
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:05,070
question I have about getting back to

1954
01:27:11,090 --> 01:27:08,850
your phone number do you think that you

1955
01:27:12,590 --> 01:27:11,100
could do without I hate to say this but

1956
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:12,600
do you think you could do without having

1957
01:27:17,150 --> 01:27:14,250
a number and just have people fill out

1958
01:27:19,340 --> 01:27:17,160
or contact you online or do you think

1959
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:19,350
it's it's real important to keep this

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01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:22,290
number yeah you have no idea how many

1961
01:27:28,130 --> 01:27:24,239
times I've almost ripped the cord out of

1962
01:27:31,220 --> 01:27:28,140
the wall Martin yeah and how many times

1963
01:27:33,770 --> 01:27:31,230
I've fought and yearns for that kind of

1964
01:27:36,650 --> 01:27:33,780
situation but again it goes back to the

1965
01:27:38,300 --> 01:27:36,660
problem of getting people to write write

1966
01:27:40,729 --> 01:27:38,310
things down there

1967
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:40,739
I've decided there has to be a telephone

1968
01:27:46,340 --> 01:27:43,440
if somebody has seen a UFO within the

1969
01:27:50,990 --> 01:27:46,350
last several minutes or say even seconds

1970
01:27:51,770 --> 01:27:51,000
they have an insatiable yearning to tell

1971
01:27:53,900 --> 01:27:51,780
somebody about it

1972
01:27:56,050 --> 01:27:53,910
right now yes and you have to

1973
01:28:00,080 --> 01:27:56,060
accommodate them at least to a degree

1974
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:00,090
but the one thing I try not to do is

1975
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:02,730
talk at great length for several reasons

1976
01:28:07,820 --> 01:28:05,730
and I'll share this with our listeners I

1977
01:28:09,740 --> 01:28:07,830
think they will understand I have

1978
01:28:12,020 --> 01:28:09,750
observed over the last twenty four years

1979
01:28:17,690 --> 01:28:12,030
and I think during those twenty four

1980
01:28:21,250 --> 01:28:17,700
years I've probably taken probably 300

1981
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:21,260
to 400 thousand telephone calls Wow and

1982
01:28:28,459 --> 01:28:24,570
if the one thing I've observed is the

1983
01:28:31,850 --> 01:28:28,469
more I talk with a party who calls about

1984
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:31,860
a recent sighting or sighting even from

1985
01:28:37,340 --> 01:28:35,370
the distant past the less likely are we

1986
01:28:40,430 --> 01:28:37,350
to get a written report it's almost as

1987
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:40,440
if they've expiated their sin and they

1988
01:28:45,650 --> 01:28:42,930
go on and don't want to get me involved

1989
01:28:48,650 --> 01:28:45,660
anymore so I try not to talk at any

1990
01:28:51,229 --> 01:28:48,660
great length also the second reason I

1991
01:28:54,410 --> 01:28:51,239
try not to talk at length is because the

1992
01:28:58,220 --> 01:28:54,420
more you talk to a witness particularly

1993
01:29:01,670 --> 01:28:58,230
shortly after their sighting the more

1994
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:01,680
you risk changing their story and that's

1995
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:04,770
what I don't want to do the in the ideal

1996
01:29:10,820 --> 01:29:07,650
situation a person would sit down at his

1997
01:29:13,310 --> 01:29:10,830
computer or her computer right after the

1998
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:13,320
sighting and record every scrap of

1999
01:29:20,990 --> 01:29:16,890
information they possibly can turn it

2000
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:21,000
into a well-organized written

2001
01:29:26,030 --> 01:29:23,489
description of the event and then submit

2002
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:26,040
it using our online report form on our

2003
01:29:33,500 --> 01:29:30,000
website at UFO center.com that's the

2004
01:29:35,390 --> 01:29:33,510
ideal way to do it I agree a come up a

2005
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:35,400
number of times on the show how

2006
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:38,730
important it is to do something

2007
01:29:44,300 --> 01:29:42,090
immediately because your memory you know

2008
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:44,310
even if you just start talking about it

2009
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:46,320
and people ask you questions your memory

2010
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:51,210
can change and you know you know as soon

2011
01:29:54,260 --> 01:29:52,770
as you can get if you can't get to a

2012
01:29:55,550 --> 01:29:54,270
computer get to a piece of paper and

2013
01:29:58,240 --> 01:29:55,560
write down everything you just saw

2014
01:30:02,060 --> 01:29:58,250
that's a suggestion that I have now

2015
01:30:06,140 --> 01:30:02,070
MUFON does not have a callin number do

2016
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:06,150
they I think most states do and they

2017
01:30:09,950 --> 01:30:07,440
have a call-in number to their

2018
01:30:13,459 --> 01:30:09,960
headquarters it's not a hotline the way

2019
01:30:16,220 --> 01:30:13,469
mine is I see but Isis I haven't called

2020
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:16,230
it but I suspect anybody you reach in a

2021
01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:19,280
MUFON number is prepared to take a

2022
01:30:27,410 --> 01:30:22,560
report over the telephone and a written

2023
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:27,420
report so they do essentially the same

2024
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:30,330
thing I do as far as I know although

2025
01:30:36,020 --> 01:30:33,570
they they're an investigative body and a

2026
01:30:38,930 --> 01:30:36,030
membership body which the national UFO

2027
01:30:41,630 --> 01:30:38,940
Reporting Center is not many people call

2028
01:30:44,300 --> 01:30:41,640
or send us an email wanting to become a

2029
01:30:47,150 --> 01:30:44,310
member of the national UFO Reporting

2030
01:30:50,140 --> 01:30:47,160
Center but we don't have members it's

2031
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:50,150
really only one end of fatigue herbal

2032
01:30:55,729 --> 01:30:53,610
dedicated worker at the hotline combined

2033
01:30:58,910 --> 01:30:55,739
and supported by combined with and

2034
01:31:03,800 --> 01:30:58,920
supported by a very dedicated webmasters

2035
01:31:08,540 --> 01:31:03,810
worked pro bono gratis for 23 years now

2036
01:31:09,410 --> 01:31:08,550
oh by the way did he escape the fires he

2037
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:09,420
did

2038
01:31:16,130 --> 01:31:12,810
yes that's great

2039
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:16,140
the next day I got an email from him he

2040
01:31:20,990 --> 01:31:18,690
he was delighted by all of the emails

2041
01:31:25,820 --> 01:31:21,000
that people had sent him with words of

2042
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:25,830
support for him and his wife and he was

2043
01:31:30,140 --> 01:31:28,530
very touched by that and who knows it

2044
01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:30,150
might have had an effect because the

2045
01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:34,080
fire died down just a mile one mile I

2046
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:36,960
presume to the east of his house Wow

2047
01:31:43,510 --> 01:31:39,330
boy yeah that's real tough time so those

2048
01:31:47,810 --> 01:31:43,520
people out there totally something so

2049
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:47,820
all right I want to talk about what what

2050
01:31:56,419 --> 01:31:52,770
happened on December 9th it was quite a

2051
01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:56,429
night for you yeah was I'm still on the

2052
01:32:02,360 --> 01:31:59,280
on the fence over what happened because

2053
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:02,370
just this evening I received a very

2054
01:32:07,459 --> 01:32:05,130
convincing article that the US Air Force

2055
01:32:14,270 --> 01:32:07,469
had had a joint operation with the US

2056
01:32:17,180 --> 01:32:14,280
Army on that night so I'm I'm unclear on

2057
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:17,190
what happened and as you can well

2058
01:32:23,330 --> 01:32:19,890
imagine when somebody calls and says a

2059
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:23,340
flotilla of objects passed over my head

2060
01:32:27,830 --> 01:32:25,890
a few minutes ago the first question

2061
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:27,840
that enters my mind is could it have

2062
01:32:34,130 --> 01:32:32,250
been aircraft or satellites probably

2063
01:32:37,130 --> 01:32:34,140
more like aircraft you wouldn't expect a

2064
01:32:40,189 --> 01:32:37,140
flotilla of satellites of course and I

2065
01:32:42,140 --> 01:32:40,199
grilled people when they called over the

2066
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:42,150
hotline could they have been aircraft

2067
01:32:50,750 --> 01:32:47,130
and they they were emphatic in saving

2068
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:50,760
that they were not aircraft at all let

2069
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:52,560
me go back to the beginning and lay a

2070
01:32:55,790 --> 01:32:54,330
little groundwork for our listeners so

2071
01:32:59,750 --> 01:32:55,800
they understand what I'm talking about

2072
01:33:02,990 --> 01:32:59,760
yeah Saturday night the 9th of December

2073
01:33:05,450 --> 01:33:03,000
2017 I got a telephone call from a

2074
01:33:08,770 --> 01:33:05,460
gentleman in South Carolina who

2075
01:33:13,459 --> 01:33:08,780
recounted that he just had witnessed a

2076
01:33:16,490 --> 01:33:13,469
flight of very strange-looking objects

2077
01:33:19,370 --> 01:33:16,500
moving and this is significant from his

2078
01:33:21,410 --> 01:33:19,380
left to his right in the southern sky

2079
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:21,420
from his location

2080
01:33:29,990 --> 01:33:25,530
and what he saw he reported were

2081
01:33:32,630 --> 01:33:30,000
flashing red and white lights and that's

2082
01:33:35,570 --> 01:33:32,640
significant because of course all

2083
01:33:38,180 --> 01:33:35,580
aircraft flying at night any pilot even

2084
01:33:41,480 --> 01:33:38,190
a student pilot would know this any

2085
01:33:43,480 --> 01:33:41,490
aircraft flying at night is required

2086
01:33:48,050 --> 01:33:43,490
under the Federal Aviation Regulations

2087
01:33:51,260 --> 01:33:48,060
and international aviation regulations

2088
01:33:54,950 --> 01:33:51,270
as well to have a red light on the Left

2089
01:33:57,920 --> 01:33:54,960
wingtip a white light on the right wing

2090
01:34:01,220 --> 01:33:57,930
tip anybody who operates a boat at night

2091
01:34:04,610 --> 01:34:01,230
knows that same is true of ships at sea

2092
01:34:07,700 --> 01:34:04,620
you mean green red red light on the left

2093
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:07,710
or portside a green light on the right

2094
01:34:15,140 --> 01:34:12,170
or starboard side yeah well everybody

2095
01:34:17,480 --> 01:34:15,150
reported subsequent to this first

2096
01:34:21,260 --> 01:34:17,490
sighting reported from South Carolina

2097
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:21,270
everybody was adamant that there were no

2098
01:34:24,710 --> 01:34:23,130
green lights on the left or the right

2099
01:34:28,490 --> 01:34:24,720
hand wingtip of what they were looking

2100
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:28,500
at it was just a very bizarre looking

2101
01:34:34,130 --> 01:34:32,250
cluster of objects and I would direct

2102
01:34:36,710 --> 01:34:34,140
our listeners anybody who's looking at

2103
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:36,720
our website or will in the future to

2104
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:40,050
look at the report from Carbondale

2105
01:34:47,060 --> 01:34:45,090
Illinois reports from Montana all of

2106
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:47,070
these people are very quite familiar

2107
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:50,730
with aircraft at night and every one of

2108
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:54,810
them was adamant in insisting that they

2109
01:35:00,830 --> 01:34:58,800
were not looking at aircraft so just a

2110
01:35:04,460 --> 01:35:00,840
brief overview of what happened

2111
01:35:09,700 --> 01:35:04,470
according to the data I have in my

2112
01:35:13,810 --> 01:35:09,710
database to date the objects were later

2113
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:13,820
very shortly after they were reported in

2114
01:35:20,090 --> 01:35:16,410
South Carolina they were reported from

2115
01:35:22,430 --> 01:35:20,100
Carbondale Illinois following that they

2116
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:22,440
were more in from Central Missouri the

2117
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:24,930
area for all of this area as well as

2118
01:35:31,460 --> 01:35:28,890
Lake of the Ozarks in which report

2119
01:35:33,530 --> 01:35:31,470
people were describing that the objects

2120
01:35:35,260 --> 01:35:33,540
were flying to the east they were

2121
01:35:37,420 --> 01:35:35,270
looking to the north and they were

2122
01:35:39,580 --> 01:35:37,430
from their left to their right so

2123
01:35:42,250 --> 01:35:39,590
they're going to the east in many

2124
01:35:45,940 --> 01:35:42,260
instances out in the Midwest from

2125
01:35:50,100 --> 01:35:45,950
Missouri they were reported from Hays

2126
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:50,110
Kansas where a gentleman saw this

2127
01:35:56,710 --> 01:35:53,690
flotilla of objects over his head moving

2128
01:35:59,290 --> 01:35:56,720
to the east he jumped in his car and was

2129
01:36:02,940 --> 01:35:59,300
following them for twenty or thirty

2130
01:36:06,670 --> 01:36:02,950
minutes he estimated driving to the east

2131
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:06,680
if they had been transport jet powered

2132
01:36:12,310 --> 01:36:09,770
transport aircraft they would have been

2133
01:36:14,230 --> 01:36:12,320
long gone in the 20 or 30 minutes that

2134
01:36:16,750 --> 01:36:14,240
he was driving to catch up with them or

2135
01:36:19,930 --> 01:36:16,760
try to catch up with them they were then

2136
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:19,940
reported from Colorado Wyoming Montana

2137
01:36:28,750 --> 01:36:25,130
Idaho Utah Washington state Nevada and

2138
01:36:33,310 --> 01:36:28,760
California and this is the event that

2139
01:36:36,490 --> 01:36:33,320
the Air Force has said was caused by a

2140
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:36,500
flotilla of aircraft initially they said

2141
01:36:42,250 --> 01:36:38,690
a hundred then they dropped it to 17

2142
01:36:44,140 --> 01:36:42,260
then the number dropped to 12 and in the

2143
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:44,150
article I just saw tonight on the

2144
01:36:50,250 --> 01:36:47,600
internet about the joint operation they

2145
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:50,260
are back up to a hundred aircraft

2146
01:36:58,740 --> 01:36:54,770
including by the way f-16s and f-15s and

2147
01:37:02,920 --> 01:36:58,750
I mention that fact Martin because

2148
01:37:05,950 --> 01:37:02,930
nobody reported any sound emanating from

2149
01:37:10,540 --> 01:37:05,960
the sky that seemed related to this

2150
01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:10,550
event do you think you said you said

2151
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:12,800
that I'm sorry you said that this seemed

2152
01:37:24,850 --> 01:37:19,130
like very credible as far as this you

2153
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:24,860
know the military doing this do you

2154
01:37:33,550 --> 01:37:28,010
think that this is actually something

2155
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:33,560
that has come up do you think it's

2156
01:37:38,230 --> 01:37:36,050
possible that this is a story or do you

2157
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:38,240
think this really did happen that they

2158
01:37:45,250 --> 01:37:41,810
were running these planes well that's

2159
01:37:47,950 --> 01:37:45,260
hard to say the story the article from

2160
01:37:49,390 --> 01:37:47,960
the military is very convincing I'm

2161
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:49,400
quick to admit that

2162
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:51,890
they cite the units that were involved

2163
01:37:59,320 --> 01:37:56,810
they cite some of the Air Force bases

2164
01:38:03,100 --> 01:37:59,330
where the aircraft had been drawn from

2165
01:38:05,740 --> 01:38:03,110
where they were headed and but the

2166
01:38:08,590 --> 01:38:05,750
peculiar thing is they cite that well

2167
01:38:14,910 --> 01:38:08,600
over a hundred aircraft were involved in

2168
01:38:19,300 --> 01:38:14,920
the deployment including at least 17

2169
01:38:22,270 --> 01:38:19,310
c-17 aircraft and they go on to say that

2170
01:38:24,990 --> 01:38:22,280
it was to deploy a hundred and twenty

2171
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:25,000
paratroopers well you don't need

2172
01:38:32,620 --> 01:38:29,330
seventeen c-17 transport four-engine

2173
01:38:35,890 --> 01:38:32,630
aircraft to deliver 120 paratroopers you

2174
01:38:38,890 --> 01:38:35,900
can probably do that with one c-17

2175
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:38,900
transport right so why they required all

2176
01:38:45,630 --> 01:38:41,810
those all those aircraft god only knows

2177
01:38:48,850 --> 01:38:45,640
and let it be sent as well that this

2178
01:38:51,660 --> 01:38:48,860
alleged exercise I have to call it

2179
01:38:54,399 --> 01:38:51,670
alleged occurred on a Saturday night

2180
01:38:59,080 --> 01:38:54,409
anybody who's been in the military knows

2181
01:39:02,620 --> 01:38:59,090
that what soldiers and airmen like to do

2182
01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:02,630
on Saturday night is visit the the NCO

2183
01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:07,040
club or officers the officer club and it

2184
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:09,679
would have been a very unpopular thing

2185
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:13,250
to stage an operation of this magnitude

2186
01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:16,730
on a Saturday night and December 9th

2187
01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:20,000
when it was on a Saturday now what about

2188
01:39:25,570 --> 01:39:23,600
the the height that most people thought

2189
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:25,580
because you know the sound of course

2190
01:39:29,500 --> 01:39:26,690
they wouldn't hear if it was at a

2191
01:39:33,550 --> 01:39:29,510
certain altitude do you did people

2192
01:39:36,370 --> 01:39:33,560
speculate how how high these objects

2193
01:39:38,020 --> 01:39:36,380
were well people always speculate as to

2194
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:38,030
the altitude of an object they're

2195
01:39:42,790 --> 01:39:40,400
looking at and all that speculation is

2196
01:39:45,910 --> 01:39:42,800
probably a waste of time but people

2197
01:39:50,140 --> 01:39:45,920
described how the objects moved across

2198
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:50,150
the sky fairly rapidly in some cases

2199
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:53,449
other cases not at all two reports from

2200
01:39:59,900 --> 01:39:56,960
Montana Dillon and Laurel Montana Laurel

2201
01:40:02,370 --> 01:39:59,910
is just west of Billings

2202
01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:02,380
reported that the objects were seen

2203
01:40:09,690 --> 01:40:06,400
allegedly to be hovering motionless in

2204
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:09,700
the night sky for up to an estimated

2205
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:12,370
eight to ten minutes well if that report

2206
01:40:19,980 --> 01:40:16,330
is accurate that fact by itself rules

2207
01:40:22,440 --> 01:40:19,990
out the possibility that these objects

2208
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:22,450
were aircraft there are a few aircraft

2209
01:40:29,370 --> 01:40:25,090
in the world that can hover motionless

2210
01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:29,380
but they're usually relatively small you

2211
01:40:34,190 --> 01:40:31,450
don't get transport aircraft that can

2212
01:40:37,710 --> 01:40:34,200
hover motionless in the night sky and

2213
01:40:44,130 --> 01:40:37,720
the ones that can are very loud like the

2214
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:44,140
ea-6b are in the know the trying to

2215
01:40:48,090 --> 01:40:45,970
think of the aircraft that lands

2216
01:40:50,850 --> 01:40:48,100
vertically the vertical takeoff and

2217
01:40:54,060 --> 01:40:50,860
light aircraft yeah I think they rotate

2218
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:54,070
the engines rotate yeah they're very if

2219
01:40:58,200 --> 01:40:55,570
they're in hover they're very loud

2220
01:41:00,270 --> 01:40:58,210
mm-hmm and you you have to do it at low

2221
01:41:04,500 --> 01:41:00,280
altitude it's very difficult for them to

2222
01:41:07,940 --> 01:41:04,510
remain in hovering condition at altitude

2223
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:07,950
that's right that's right now what

2224
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:12,690
abilities flight path you know match up

2225
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:16,330
well I don't know there are military

2226
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:20,170
flight paths are called oil-burning

2227
01:41:27,450 --> 01:41:24,010
routes that they have designated for

2228
01:41:30,390 --> 01:41:27,460
their activities usually for refueling

2229
01:41:34,650 --> 01:41:30,400
operations and other operations that we

2230
01:41:37,710 --> 01:41:34,660
probably know nothing about but these

2231
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:37,720
aircraft appeared not to have been in

2232
01:41:45,480 --> 01:41:41,170
any oil burner routes because they were

2233
01:41:49,620 --> 01:41:45,490
at relatively low altitude and that's

2234
01:41:52,770 --> 01:41:49,630
again a very difficult aspect of an

2235
01:41:56,580 --> 01:41:52,780
object to estimate because if you don't

2236
01:41:58,620 --> 01:41:56,590
know how far away an object is you can't

2237
01:42:00,330 --> 01:41:58,630
estimate its altitude and you can't know

2238
01:42:06,290 --> 01:42:00,340
how far away it is unless you know how

2239
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:06,300
big it is and so on and so forth but I

2240
01:42:11,460 --> 01:42:09,280
I'm on the as I mentioned earlier in

2241
01:42:13,950 --> 01:42:11,470
this broadcast I'm on the fence with

2242
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:13,960
regard to this incident

2243
01:42:22,890 --> 01:42:17,170
and I would also like to add the fact

2244
01:42:25,860 --> 01:42:22,900
that I am not blind to the the fact that

2245
01:42:29,940 --> 01:42:25,870
this incident occurred just a week

2246
01:42:32,730 --> 01:42:29,950
before to the day the week before all

2247
01:42:34,500 --> 01:42:32,740
this revelation took place in the New

2248
01:42:38,490 --> 01:42:34,510
York on the pages of the New York Times

2249
01:42:40,860 --> 01:42:38,500
about this office in the Pentagon that

2250
01:42:43,950 --> 01:42:40,870
was charged with collecting data about

2251
01:42:46,260 --> 01:42:43,960
UFO sightings so it makes me wonder

2252
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:46,270
whether they could be linked in some way

2253
01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:51,130
that I cannot see and whether the

2254
01:42:58,140 --> 01:42:54,400
government is having its hand forced by

2255
01:43:00,900 --> 01:42:58,150
an alien presence which is showing what

2256
01:43:03,060 --> 01:43:00,910
them what is capable of doing with

2257
01:43:08,220 --> 01:43:03,070
regard to showing the American people a

2258
01:43:11,490 --> 01:43:08,230
display of UFO technology hey anything's

2259
01:43:14,190 --> 01:43:11,500
possible now what about MUFON did the

2260
01:43:17,790 --> 01:43:14,200
sightings they you know the same

2261
01:43:20,610 --> 01:43:17,800
sightings or some come in that kind of

2262
01:43:23,630 --> 01:43:20,620
corresponds with yours when I last

2263
01:43:25,980 --> 01:43:23,640
talked to MUFON I called Jim Harz an on

2264
01:43:28,140 --> 01:43:25,990
Saturday night he's the international

2265
01:43:31,380 --> 01:43:28,150
director of the mutual UFO network he's

2266
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:31,390
down in Los Angeles and it the reports

2267
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:33,130
that were coming to me were so dramatic

2268
01:43:40,650 --> 01:43:37,330
and so convincing that I thought I'd

2269
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:40,660
like to bring MUFON into the fray at the

2270
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:43,690
early stage and he quickly discovered

2271
01:43:47,970 --> 01:43:45,730
that they were getting similar reports

2272
01:43:52,110 --> 01:43:47,980
being reported to their state directors

2273
01:43:54,690 --> 01:43:52,120
or state organizations and we're going

2274
01:43:57,300 --> 01:43:54,700
to share data so they can build a

2275
01:44:00,060 --> 01:43:57,310
timeline and a ground track of these

2276
01:44:04,530 --> 01:44:00,070
objects and once that's done it will

2277
01:44:07,500 --> 01:44:04,540
tell us a great deal about what could or

2278
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:07,510
could not have taken place and that in

2279
01:44:12,420 --> 01:44:09,370
turn will tell us a lot about the nature

2280
01:44:15,210 --> 01:44:12,430
of the objects involved that's a great

2281
01:44:17,970 --> 01:44:15,220
that's great and so do often work

2282
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:17,980
together with MUFON on or as I

2283
01:44:23,670 --> 01:44:21,370
frequently yeah yeah again I'm not an

2284
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:23,680
investigative organization I would love

2285
01:44:27,750 --> 01:44:26,650
to be I'm much more the investigator by

2286
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:27,760
nature than I am

2287
01:44:33,510 --> 01:44:31,330
an amanuensis or secretary to take

2288
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:33,520
telephone calls and that's particularly

2289
01:44:39,030 --> 01:44:36,250
the case as a result of these prank

2290
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:39,040
calls that are coming in but I don't

2291
01:44:44,490 --> 01:44:42,010
have the resource to send a team of at

2292
01:44:47,729 --> 01:44:44,500
least two and preferably four or six

2293
01:44:50,820 --> 01:44:47,739
people out to investigate a major

2294
01:44:53,910 --> 01:44:50,830
incident like this it's very very

2295
01:44:58,500 --> 01:44:53,920
expensive in terms of time and Treasury

2296
01:45:01,380 --> 01:44:58,510
to do an investigation so I'm going to

2297
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:01,390
have to leave that up to MUFON and I

2298
01:45:07,020 --> 01:45:03,970
presume they're doing it and I will turn

2299
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:07,030
my I'm going to send a link to this

2300
01:45:14,010 --> 01:45:10,330
military article to Jan and chase klutz

2301
01:45:18,060 --> 01:45:14,020
key who's involved in the investigation

2302
01:45:21,060 --> 01:45:18,070
- they may already know about those

2303
01:45:23,700 --> 01:45:21,070
reports but we've got to decide we've

2304
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:23,710
got to uncover and unravel whether this

2305
01:45:28,290 --> 01:45:26,320
was in fact a military exercise or

2306
01:45:32,850 --> 01:45:28,300
whether it might have been something

2307
01:45:36,620 --> 01:45:32,860
else right right so new fork has been

2308
01:45:40,070 --> 01:45:36,630
basically collecting information since

2309
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:40,080
1974 are their files actually of

2310
01:45:47,610 --> 01:45:43,890
sightings before the internet came along

2311
01:45:50,580 --> 01:45:47,620
yes but my predecessor Bob Gribble gave

2312
01:45:53,610 --> 01:45:50,590
them to another party for reasons known

2313
01:45:57,780 --> 01:45:53,620
only to him he did that shortly after I

2314
01:45:59,790 --> 01:45:57,790
took over the reins so and had you when

2315
01:46:06,050 --> 01:45:59,800
you took over were you at that time

2316
01:46:14,010 --> 01:46:10,050
only for MUFON I was I think at the time

2317
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:14,020
I had just resigned a state director for

2318
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:19,210
MUFON for the state of Washington and I

2319
01:46:25,650 --> 01:46:23,440
had files and records but really didn't

2320
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:25,660
start a serious collection of records

2321
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:28,330
until I took over the hotline and now I

2322
01:46:34,250 --> 01:46:31,810
have file cabinet after file cabinet but

2323
01:46:39,510 --> 01:46:34,260
all those records are of little use

2324
01:46:41,550 --> 01:46:39,520
really the the end product of what I do

2325
01:46:44,490 --> 01:46:41,560
is a written

2326
01:46:47,130 --> 01:46:44,500
report which we post to our website I

2327
01:46:49,260 --> 01:46:47,140
frequently get email from people saying

2328
01:46:51,330 --> 01:46:49,270
I'm interested in this case could you

2329
01:46:54,210 --> 01:46:51,340
open your files and send me everything

2330
01:46:56,910 --> 01:46:54,220
you know about it and I invariably write

2331
01:46:59,130 --> 01:46:56,920
back and say you know just about

2332
01:47:01,350 --> 01:46:59,140
everything I know about that case if

2333
01:47:04,590 --> 01:47:01,360
you've read the written report on our

2334
01:47:09,150 --> 01:47:04,600
website we don't keep secret files if

2335
01:47:14,270 --> 01:47:09,160
you will we put everything that we

2336
01:47:17,930 --> 01:47:14,280
collect on the Internet yeah and so

2337
01:47:20,850 --> 01:47:17,940
people have asked me about you know how

2338
01:47:25,650 --> 01:47:20,860
protected are your backups I mean do you

2339
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:25,660
have any backups as far as you know all

2340
01:47:31,530 --> 01:47:27,370
the reports that have been done over the

2341
01:47:34,650 --> 01:47:31,540
years on there yes we keep again the

2342
01:47:36,270 --> 01:47:34,660
database of reports and there are about

2343
01:47:40,260 --> 01:47:36,280
a hundred and twenty seven thousand

2344
01:47:42,180 --> 01:47:40,270
reports in the database Wow and we have

2345
01:47:43,950 --> 01:47:42,190
a roughly a hundred and thirteen

2346
01:47:47,820 --> 01:47:43,960
thousand of one hundred and twenty seven

2347
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:47,830
thousand are posted to the Internet the

2348
01:47:55,350 --> 01:47:50,970
other reports are reports that are just

2349
01:47:59,120 --> 01:47:55,360
foolishness frankly they're profane have

2350
01:48:01,650 --> 01:47:59,130
profanity in them or they're just

2351
01:48:06,450 --> 01:48:01,660
reports that are submitted by people who

2352
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:06,460
are not terribly balanced and so we

2353
01:48:10,890 --> 01:48:08,530
don't post those reports but we leave

2354
01:48:13,650 --> 01:48:10,900
them in the database because every once

2355
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:13,660
in a while I will make a decision not to

2356
01:48:20,490 --> 01:48:17,050
post a report but it turns out that I am

2357
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:20,500
wrong and the case that comes to mind is

2358
01:48:29,310 --> 01:48:25,930
the case of mr. Todd C's it's a

2359
01:48:33,060 --> 01:48:29,320
celebrated case that occurred in 2002

2360
01:48:38,580 --> 01:48:33,070
August of 2000 and was seen being taken

2361
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:38,590
up into a saucer that hovered over the

2362
01:48:45,900 --> 01:48:43,600
mountain Montour in south-central and

2363
01:48:48,990 --> 01:48:45,910
that was the last anybody saw of him

2364
01:48:51,810 --> 01:48:49,000
alive when it was discovered that he was

2365
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:51,820
missing and all of his things were found

2366
01:48:59,530 --> 01:48:55,250
by his all-terrain vehicle on this

2367
01:49:03,190 --> 01:48:59,540
mountaintop search party including about

2368
01:49:06,730 --> 01:49:03,200
250 people I seem to recall was

2369
01:49:10,210 --> 01:49:06,740
dispatched to try to find him and they

2370
01:49:13,660 --> 01:49:10,220
didn't find him until the next day 7:00

2371
01:49:16,750 --> 01:49:13,670
p.m. he was taken up at about 5:30 a.m.

2372
01:49:21,460 --> 01:49:16,760
on a Sunday I believe it was the fourth

2373
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:21,470
of August 2002 and people can see the

2374
01:49:27,700 --> 01:49:25,010
reports on our website they searched all

2375
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:27,710
that Sunday without finding him they

2376
01:49:34,870 --> 01:49:31,610
searched all Monday until the evening

2377
01:49:38,260 --> 01:49:34,880
when his son and tragically it was his

2378
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:38,270
son found his father's remains suspended

2379
01:49:48,100 --> 01:49:42,050
in underbrush or in a tree in any event

2380
01:49:52,390 --> 01:49:48,110
above ground level and it is reported by

2381
01:49:57,070 --> 01:49:52,400
seemingly authoritative sources that his

2382
01:49:59,050 --> 01:49:57,080
remains were so grossly mutilated that

2383
01:50:02,260 --> 01:49:59,060
not even his son could positively

2384
01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:02,270
identify his father the remains of his

2385
01:50:10,590 --> 01:50:05,450
that he had discovered as those of his

2386
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:10,600
father Wow that is that's not a typical

2387
01:50:18,900 --> 01:50:14,330
situation and that's that's absolutely

2388
01:50:22,990 --> 01:50:18,910
terrible yeah I mean you don't hear of

2389
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:23,000
you know accounts of abductions well

2390
01:50:26,860 --> 01:50:25,760
someone said to me one time how do we

2391
01:50:28,990 --> 01:50:26,870
know that people aren't being abducted

2392
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:29,000
and never brought back with all the

2393
01:50:34,210 --> 01:50:31,370
missing people you know some I mean

2394
01:50:37,060 --> 01:50:34,220
which is kind of a which is kind of a

2395
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:37,070
point I do want to invite the live

2396
01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:39,050
listener if you'd like to call in at

2397
01:50:47,910 --> 01:50:42,490
this point and ask our guest a question

2398
01:50:51,580 --> 01:50:47,920
you can call in at 6:03 nine six seven

2399
01:50:56,680 --> 01:50:51,590
403 Oh or you can Skype in at marty

2400
01:50:58,360 --> 01:50:56,690
willis that's ma RT y wi ll is I don't

2401
01:51:00,130 --> 01:50:58,370
know why I did Marty Willis it was

2402
01:51:02,410 --> 01:51:00,140
available I don't like being called

2403
01:51:04,390 --> 01:51:02,420
Marty but that's okay you can call me

2404
01:51:07,510 --> 01:51:04,400
Marty if you wanted

2405
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:07,520
so I know how nice it is to hear the

2406
01:51:14,169 --> 01:51:11,210
area code 603 yeah my my days in New

2407
01:51:17,649 --> 01:51:14,179
Hampshire and I should mention just

2408
01:51:20,350 --> 01:51:17,659
briefly back in 1965 I graduated from

2409
01:51:22,750 --> 01:51:20,360
high school from Pinkerton Academy in

2410
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:22,760
East Derry village or Derry village

2411
01:51:28,720 --> 01:51:25,730
rather oh yeah and that summer was the

2412
01:51:32,770 --> 01:51:28,730
summer that the incident at Exeter

2413
01:51:36,790 --> 01:51:32,780
occurred and that was the first case I

2414
01:51:39,370 --> 01:51:36,800
ever actively investigated I was working

2415
01:51:41,439 --> 01:51:39,380
for the Derry news at the time in Derry

2416
01:51:46,479 --> 01:51:41,449
New Hampshire I'm sure you know where it

2417
01:51:48,729 --> 01:51:46,489
yeah and my editor and I all that summer

2418
01:51:51,330 --> 01:51:48,739
ironically had had a running debate on

2419
01:51:56,020 --> 01:51:51,340
the subject of UFOs I being the advocate

2420
01:51:58,649 --> 01:51:56,030
he being the cast in concrete skeptic

2421
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:58,659
well when the Manchester union leader

2422
01:52:06,069 --> 01:52:01,280
published the article I think it was on

2423
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:06,079
the fourth or fifth of September 1965 my

2424
01:52:11,319 --> 01:52:08,570
editor saw that article and he said

2425
01:52:13,779 --> 01:52:11,329
Davenport you're now a cub reporter put

2426
01:52:17,529 --> 01:52:13,789
that broom down and get up to Exeter and

2427
01:52:20,950 --> 01:52:17,539
get us a story well so I published I

2428
01:52:24,609 --> 01:52:20,960
wrote an article that was published in

2429
01:52:28,209 --> 01:52:24,619
the Derry news the first installment was

2430
01:52:30,729 --> 01:52:28,219
on the 13th of September 1965 the next

2431
01:52:37,359 --> 01:52:30,739
one on the 16th of September same month

2432
01:52:40,180 --> 01:52:37,369
and I was convinced I talked to the two

2433
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:40,190
police officers who had seen it I talked

2434
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:42,650
to the hitchhiker Norman muscarello had

2435
01:52:49,839 --> 01:52:47,570
seen it yeah and it was a doozy of a

2436
01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:49,849
sighting and it's what gave rise to the

2437
01:52:58,240 --> 01:52:52,880
book entitled the incident at Exeter by

2438
01:52:59,799 --> 01:52:58,250
John G fuller right right and that's

2439
01:53:03,580 --> 01:52:59,809
great so you actually talked to

2440
01:53:06,930 --> 01:53:03,590
firsthand witnesses yeah amazing and I

2441
01:53:09,250 --> 01:53:06,940
know that they celebrate that every year

2442
01:53:10,510 --> 01:53:09,260
I'm surprised they don't ask you to come

2443
01:53:13,270 --> 01:53:10,520
out and talk about it because they

2444
01:53:15,220 --> 01:53:13,280
celebrate well if they've contacted me

2445
01:53:16,990 --> 01:53:15,230
but I think they run on a thin budget

2446
01:53:19,570 --> 01:53:17,000
they do don't even have money

2447
01:53:23,260 --> 01:53:19,580
for an airline ticket yeah I believe I

2448
01:53:25,060 --> 01:53:23,270
believe that's correct but yeah I have

2449
01:53:28,210 --> 01:53:25,070
gone to that a couple of times it's it's

2450
01:53:30,430 --> 01:53:28,220
always it's always fun it's free also so

2451
01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:30,440
they don't collect any fees that way oh

2452
01:53:39,310 --> 01:53:34,610
yeah yeah but so well I'd love to appear

2453
01:53:42,220 --> 01:53:39,320
there sometime yeah yeah I think that is

2454
01:53:47,110 --> 01:53:42,230
one of the you know one of the important

2455
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:47,120
cases myself and so Norman passed away

2456
01:53:53,320 --> 01:53:50,210
kind of young didn't he I think he did

2457
01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:53,330
three or four years ago I believe when I

2458
01:54:00,760 --> 01:53:56,210
talked to him in 1965 he was 18 years of

2459
01:54:04,810 --> 01:54:00,770
age as I recall and he was on a delayed

2460
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:04,820
enlistment program with the US Navy so

2461
01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:07,010
he was burning a hundred and eighty days

2462
01:54:13,420 --> 01:54:10,130
I think it was maybe 90 days before he

2463
01:54:16,510 --> 01:54:13,430
enlisted and he was in actually the

2464
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:16,520
incident occurred not in Exeter so much

2465
01:54:22,660 --> 01:54:19,850
as in Kennington yeah just south of

2466
01:54:25,630 --> 01:54:22,670
Exeter a couple miles or so maybe maybe

2467
01:54:29,220 --> 01:54:25,640
less than that and I'm stood actually

2468
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:29,230
stood on the road with officer Bertrand

2469
01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:32,170
he and I went out to the site together

2470
01:54:39,340 --> 01:54:35,570
where he had stood as he watched this

2471
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:39,350
disc with flashing lights flit all over

2472
01:54:48,310 --> 01:54:43,610
a field and it's a very interesting

2473
01:54:53,020 --> 01:54:48,320
story he he was on patrol the night

2474
01:54:56,170 --> 01:54:53,030
before on the 2nd of September and he

2475
01:54:59,890 --> 01:54:56,180
ran across a woman who had stopped her

2476
01:55:03,040 --> 01:54:59,900
car along the roadside I think she was

2477
01:55:06,360 --> 01:55:03,050
in the center of a circle a traffic

2478
01:55:09,730 --> 01:55:06,370
circle and she was almost hysterical

2479
01:55:13,030 --> 01:55:09,740
even her dog which was pressed down

2480
01:55:15,220 --> 01:55:13,040
against the the floor of the car didn't

2481
01:55:18,370 --> 01:55:15,230
want to didn't want to get up on the

2482
01:55:23,380 --> 01:55:18,380
seat both of them seem to be very upset

2483
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:23,390
by what they just experienced and he I

2484
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:25,850
think he saw to it that the woman was

2485
01:55:31,990 --> 01:55:28,090
taken to the hospital she was so upset

2486
01:55:35,439 --> 01:55:32,000
later the next morning when he

2487
01:55:37,990 --> 01:55:35,449
officer Tollefson broadcast the fact

2488
01:55:41,830 --> 01:55:38,000
that a young teenager just broken into

2489
01:55:43,780 --> 01:55:41,840
the bursts into the Exeter police

2490
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:43,790
station babbling about having been

2491
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:47,210
chased by a saucer that officer Bertrand

2492
01:55:52,660 --> 01:55:49,280
drove in in his cruiser to the

2493
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:52,670
headquarters picked up the hitchhiker

2494
01:55:58,900 --> 01:55:55,370
Norman muscarello and they drove out

2495
01:56:02,560 --> 01:55:58,910
together to Kensington where muscarello

2496
01:56:06,100 --> 01:56:02,570
allegedly had seen this object it

2497
01:56:10,630 --> 01:56:06,110
actually chased him as I recall and he

2498
01:56:13,209 --> 01:56:10,640
jumped off the roadway into a swamp now

2499
01:56:16,180 --> 01:56:13,219
and tried to conceal himself under some

2500
01:56:19,780 --> 01:56:16,190
bushes the object moved directly above

2501
01:56:22,350 --> 01:56:19,790
him and it tilted 90 degrees and turned

2502
01:56:24,310 --> 01:56:22,360
its headlights on so to speak and

2503
01:56:27,100 --> 01:56:24,320
illuminated the area where he was

2504
01:56:31,990 --> 01:56:27,110
hunkered down under this bush intensely

2505
01:56:34,860 --> 01:56:32,000
brightly so it was a very very

2506
01:56:38,620 --> 01:56:34,870
convincing case and I still enjoy

2507
01:56:42,280 --> 01:56:38,630
reading but the articles that I wrote

2508
01:56:44,439 --> 01:56:42,290
for the Derry news it was it was pretty

2509
01:56:46,150 --> 01:56:44,449
heady stuff for a seventeen year old kid

2510
01:56:51,010 --> 01:56:46,160
to be writing articles for a newspaper

2511
01:56:53,709 --> 01:56:51,020
Wow did that have uh did that affect you

2512
01:56:56,320 --> 01:56:53,719
in a way too you know I know you said

2513
01:57:00,100 --> 01:56:56,330
you had a sighting early on in your life

2514
01:57:03,189 --> 01:57:00,110
or I believe you did so did this really

2515
01:57:04,990 --> 01:57:03,199
like oh we have a call coming in so I'd

2516
01:57:05,530 --> 01:57:05,000
like to like it to take that if that's

2517
01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:05,540
all right

2518
01:57:09,910 --> 01:57:07,850
that sounds fine I look forward to it

2519
01:57:13,630 --> 01:57:09,920
okay

2520
01:57:14,800 --> 01:57:13,640
caller welcome to the show please give

2521
01:57:16,260 --> 01:57:14,810
your first name and where you're calling

2522
01:57:18,850 --> 01:57:16,270
from

2523
01:57:23,260 --> 01:57:18,860
hi mountain it's Donny how are you

2524
01:57:25,979 --> 01:57:23,270
Donny Donny the police officer Donny the

2525
01:57:29,229 --> 01:57:25,989
retired one the retired one hey honey

2526
01:57:31,300 --> 01:57:29,239
how are ya hey Peter how are you I'm

2527
01:57:34,180 --> 01:57:31,310
doing well how nice to have you on the

2528
01:57:36,939 --> 01:57:34,190
program with us oh hey thank you it's

2529
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:36,949
good to hear you back on again I wanted

2530
01:57:41,400 --> 01:57:39,650
to pop in here real quick because Martin

2531
01:57:44,830 --> 01:57:41,410
and I were talking a couple weeks ago

2532
01:57:47,080 --> 01:57:44,840
and this is before the latest

2533
01:57:50,170 --> 01:57:47,090
revelation about about the Nimitz and

2534
01:57:51,640 --> 01:57:50,180
the tic-tac case with with the with the

2535
01:57:54,910 --> 01:57:51,650
gun camera footage which is just

2536
01:57:58,660 --> 01:57:54,920
astonishing but what I wanted to ask you

2537
01:58:04,360 --> 01:57:58,670
PETA and you know its new fork gotten

2538
01:58:05,950 --> 01:58:04,370
any fresh reports or data from military

2539
01:58:09,370 --> 01:58:05,960
sources given the current state of

2540
01:58:11,500 --> 01:58:09,380
affairs with the North Koreans and the

2541
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:11,510
saber-rattling I would imagine there's

2542
01:58:14,980 --> 01:58:13,010
got to be a ton of activity in the Sea

2543
01:58:16,450 --> 01:58:14,990
of Japan and all kinds of weird things

2544
01:58:19,720 --> 01:58:16,460
happening and on the Korean Peninsula

2545
01:58:22,720 --> 01:58:19,730
once you take on that pier good question

2546
01:58:25,300 --> 01:58:22,730
military sources are in my opinion some

2547
01:58:28,600 --> 01:58:25,310
of the most reliable and useful sources

2548
01:58:32,110 --> 01:58:28,610
of information that we receive I have

2549
01:58:35,230 --> 01:58:32,120
received many many reports from military

2550
01:58:38,170 --> 01:58:35,240
officers and enlisted as well people

2551
01:58:42,370 --> 01:58:38,180
who've been aboard ship ships Navy

2552
01:58:44,830 --> 01:58:42,380
personnel from Coast Guard personnel

2553
01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:44,840
who've been aboard ships when they sight

2554
01:58:50,040 --> 01:58:48,410
had dramatic sightings taken reports

2555
01:58:52,210 --> 01:58:50,050
from people who are board a submarine

2556
01:58:54,490 --> 01:58:52,220
although they didn't follow up with a

2557
01:58:59,920 --> 01:58:54,500
written report tragically so it's a

2558
01:59:03,190 --> 01:58:59,930
wasted case pilots military pilots

2559
01:59:05,650 --> 01:59:03,200
civilian pilots and a lot of people in

2560
01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:05,660
desert who participated in the Desert

2561
01:59:12,730 --> 01:59:10,970
Storm hostilities they saw some very

2562
01:59:16,240 --> 01:59:12,740
strange things in fact one of those

2563
01:59:19,870 --> 01:59:16,250
cases goes back to August one of the

2564
01:59:24,820 --> 01:59:19,880
cases I received August of 2001 I

2565
01:59:29,020 --> 01:59:24,830
believe it was got a report from a

2566
01:59:29,530 --> 01:59:29,030
gentleman who seen aliens inside the

2567
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:29,540
tent

2568
01:59:35,620 --> 01:59:33,290
that's where six or eight soldiers were

2569
01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:35,630
sleeping and it came up to him and

2570
01:59:40,780 --> 01:59:37,970
touched him in the forehead and he

2571
01:59:44,910 --> 01:59:40,790
remembers nothing beyond that point very

2572
01:59:48,700 --> 01:59:44,920
dramatic loss that is quite a story

2573
01:59:50,830 --> 01:59:48,710
Donny anything else for repeater well no

2574
01:59:53,380 --> 01:59:50,840
just really curious about that and you

2575
01:59:55,840 --> 01:59:53,390
know any any guess that that that come

2576
01:59:58,390 --> 01:59:55,850
on really collecting collect data I

2577
01:59:59,860 --> 01:59:58,400
think now at the time my own opinion

2578
02:00:03,490 --> 01:59:59,870
like now's the time where we're going to

2579
02:00:05,320 --> 02:00:03,500
see a lot of activity I'm looking what

2580
02:00:07,030 --> 02:00:05,330
happily I mean I keep going back to

2581
02:00:08,860 --> 02:00:07,040
Rendlesham problem my favorite case well

2582
02:00:10,810 --> 02:00:08,870
up until this recent one which is

2583
02:00:13,450 --> 02:00:10,820
probably my new favorite but in any

2584
02:00:16,120 --> 02:00:13,460
event it seems to me that when the

2585
02:00:17,740 --> 02:00:16,130
sabers rattle these things really start

2586
02:00:22,900 --> 02:00:17,750
to come out and these things really

2587
02:00:26,380 --> 02:00:22,910
start to to hover and and and fly around

2588
02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:26,390
our air bases in particular and probably

2589
02:00:31,480 --> 02:00:28,850
in our ships at sea so that's all I want

2590
02:00:33,220 --> 02:00:31,490
to ask good to hear Peter and always

2591
02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:33,230
oppose your money and I'll pass it over

2592
02:00:37,330 --> 02:00:34,610
to somebody else all right

2593
02:00:39,310 --> 02:00:37,340
hey Johnny merry Christmas to you yes

2594
02:00:41,310 --> 02:00:39,320
hey same to you guys to be well all

2595
02:00:47,530 --> 02:00:41,320
right take care

2596
02:00:50,230 --> 02:00:47,540
yeah so that that is interesting to me

2597
02:00:55,630 --> 02:00:50,240
when it comes to military and I agree

2598
02:01:00,250 --> 02:00:55,640
with you it just it seems like well more

2599
02:01:02,680 --> 02:01:00,260
credible I guess you'd call it yep yeah

2600
02:01:05,050 --> 02:01:02,690
they're people who are oftentimes

2601
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:05,060
trained to one degree or another

2602
02:01:10,840 --> 02:01:08,570
oftentimes to a high degree and they're

2603
02:01:15,160 --> 02:01:10,850
not the type of people to fabricate

2604
02:01:17,860 --> 02:01:15,170
stories they once you've been on the in

2605
02:01:21,390 --> 02:01:17,870
combat or training for combat you

2606
02:01:24,010 --> 02:01:21,400
recognize the need for accurate reliable

2607
02:01:26,860 --> 02:01:24,020
communication and people who've been in

2608
02:01:29,980 --> 02:01:26,870
the military are in my opinion and it's

2609
02:01:32,940 --> 02:01:29,990
been my observation more reliable in

2610
02:01:35,530 --> 02:01:32,950
that respect than the average person

2611
02:01:37,960 --> 02:01:35,540
calling from his apartment who's never

2612
02:01:40,660 --> 02:01:37,970
been in the military yeah I agree we

2613
02:01:42,640 --> 02:01:40,670
have a we have another caller caller

2614
02:01:46,750 --> 02:01:42,650
your first name where you're calling

2615
02:01:48,280 --> 02:01:46,760
from Steven organ hi what are you doing

2616
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:48,290
welcome to the show oh you're right out

2617
02:01:52,110 --> 02:01:50,810
we're right out by pieter not too far

2618
02:01:54,970 --> 02:01:52,120
away

2619
02:01:58,480 --> 02:01:54,980
Morrigan did you say Steven Yeah right

2620
02:01:59,980 --> 02:01:58,490
down at southern Washington yeah I'm

2621
02:02:03,430 --> 02:01:59,990
going to Portland

2622
02:02:06,790 --> 02:02:03,440
oh yeah okay near Vancouver projector

2623
02:02:09,930 --> 02:02:06,800
zoom yeah in Vancouver Oh which nobody

2624
02:02:12,680 --> 02:02:09,940
knows why we say Portland

2625
02:02:15,689 --> 02:02:12,690
so you have a question for our guest I

2626
02:02:18,540 --> 02:02:15,699
do um one of the cases i falled was

2627
02:02:20,899 --> 02:02:18,550
interest for years as the Phoenix lights

2628
02:02:25,200 --> 02:02:20,909
and it seems pretty clear that was

2629
02:02:29,930 --> 02:02:25,210
something legitimate happened at 8:30

2630
02:02:35,700 --> 02:02:29,940
that night and then and then at 10:00

2631
02:02:39,590 --> 02:02:35,710
10:15 it appears to me that that the

2632
02:02:44,580 --> 02:02:39,600
military deliberately did a flare drop

2633
02:02:46,830 --> 02:02:44,590
to kind of create a you know the kind of

2634
02:02:50,040 --> 02:02:46,840
throat dirt in the air and confuse

2635
02:02:52,169 --> 02:02:50,050
everybody conceal the evidence all right

2636
02:02:55,140 --> 02:02:52,179
be able to mix it up a little bit so

2637
02:02:56,970 --> 02:02:55,150
nobody would know anything once you bury

2638
02:03:00,000 --> 02:02:56,980
a signal with noise it's hard to

2639
02:03:01,590 --> 02:03:00,010
understand what's going on and I just I

2640
02:03:05,610 --> 02:03:01,600
just really wanted to have never heard

2641
02:03:07,939 --> 02:03:05,620
you speak specifically to the 10:00

2642
02:03:10,050 --> 02:03:07,949
o'clock thing that you know that um

2643
02:03:13,979 --> 02:03:10,060
what's-her-name put in her documentary

2644
02:03:16,890 --> 02:03:13,989
the UFO lights dr. Lynn cannon I yeah

2645
02:03:20,729 --> 02:03:16,900
Lincoln time I'm in doses oh those films

2646
02:03:23,070 --> 02:03:20,739
in your view were that was the ten

2647
02:03:26,550 --> 02:03:23,080
o'clock flare drop is that is that true

2648
02:03:29,070 --> 02:03:26,560
for you as it is I can't agree with you

2649
02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:29,080
I believe that the objects that were

2650
02:03:33,750 --> 02:03:30,850
seen from the Phoenix area in the

2651
02:03:38,070 --> 02:03:33,760
Southwest at about ten o'clock

2652
02:03:40,550 --> 02:03:38,080
almost certainly were flares but people

2653
02:03:43,680 --> 02:03:40,560
put me in the doghouse for that claim I

2654
02:03:47,879 --> 02:03:43,690
tend to agree with you that the military

2655
02:03:55,590 --> 02:03:47,889
had enough time to if they had a TENS on

2656
02:03:57,959 --> 02:03:55,600
the ground in in an airbase down near

2657
02:03:58,680 --> 02:03:57,969
Tucson I'm trying I'm groping for the

2658
02:04:00,810 --> 02:03:58,690
name of it

2659
02:04:05,220 --> 02:04:00,820
davis-monthan Air Force Base is when I

2660
02:04:06,840 --> 02:04:05,230
was searching for if they had a TENS

2661
02:04:08,970 --> 02:04:06,850
they could have gotten them to the Gila

2662
02:04:13,470 --> 02:04:08,980
Bend firing range and dumped out a bunch

2663
02:04:15,540 --> 02:04:13,480
of flares in time for people to be

2664
02:04:18,450 --> 02:04:15,550
confused by what they were looking at to

2665
02:04:21,720 --> 02:04:18,460
muddy the waters as you correctly put it

2666
02:04:22,939 --> 02:04:21,730
but one thing a lot of people don't know

2667
02:04:28,219 --> 02:04:22,949
is

2668
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:28,229
book on the Phoenix lights the US

2669
02:04:33,830 --> 02:04:31,050
military forces were elevated from

2670
02:04:37,819 --> 02:04:33,840
defense condition 5 which is a normal

2671
02:04:39,169 --> 02:04:37,829
peacetime condition to DEFCON 3 in one

2672
02:04:42,589 --> 02:04:39,179
single step

2673
02:04:45,319 --> 02:04:42,599
I skipped or altogether another fact

2674
02:04:48,199 --> 02:04:45,329
that I find particularly intriguing is

2675
02:04:52,009 --> 02:04:48,209
that President Bill Clinton who earlier

2676
02:04:55,669 --> 02:04:52,019
that morning on the 13th of March 1997

2677
02:04:59,229 --> 02:04:55,679
had been flown from Washington DC down

2678
02:05:01,850 --> 02:04:59,239
to Florida where he spent the day

2679
02:05:05,629 --> 02:05:01,860
golfing with the professional golfer

2680
02:05:07,489 --> 02:05:05,639
from Australia Greg Norman and President

2681
02:05:09,379 --> 02:05:07,499
Clinton spent the night at Greg Norman's

2682
02:05:11,600 --> 02:05:09,389
house that night somewhere in Florida

2683
02:05:13,339 --> 02:05:11,610
Miami or Orlando

2684
02:05:16,640 --> 02:05:13,349
perhaps I'm forgotten where it was

2685
02:05:18,370 --> 02:05:16,650
that's right that's right and that was

2686
02:05:21,500 --> 02:05:18,380
the night that President Clinton

2687
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:21,510
allegedly injured the ligaments of his

2688
02:05:28,100 --> 02:05:24,570
knee so badly that it required him to be

2689
02:05:31,669 --> 02:05:28,110
evacuated from Greg Norman's house in a

2690
02:05:34,239 --> 02:05:31,679
very hurried manner and flown to

2691
02:05:39,160 --> 02:05:34,249
Washington DC where he allegedly

2692
02:05:44,020 --> 02:05:39,170
underwent surgery on one of his knees

2693
02:05:47,479 --> 02:05:44,030
right well my suspicion is absent proof

2694
02:05:51,589 --> 02:05:47,489
suspicion is that all of that was a

2695
02:05:53,899 --> 02:05:51,599
cover story to get President Clinton to

2696
02:05:56,689 --> 02:05:53,909
a military safe area where his

2697
02:05:59,560 --> 02:05:56,699
whereabouts would not be known which I

2698
02:06:03,020 --> 02:05:59,570
presume is part of the defense condition

2699
02:06:06,319 --> 02:06:03,030
declaration I presume that's when DEFCON

2700
02:06:11,509 --> 02:06:06,329
3 is declared that's by the way one step

2701
02:06:13,430 --> 02:06:11,519
short of all-out global warfare that

2702
02:06:15,439 --> 02:06:13,440
somebody has the presence of mind to

2703
02:06:17,779 --> 02:06:15,449
pick up a telephone and contact the

2704
02:06:20,779 --> 02:06:17,789
president or his Secret Service

2705
02:06:24,319 --> 02:06:20,789
detachment and they would move him very

2706
02:06:26,569 --> 02:06:24,329
very quickly and either he did sustained

2707
02:06:28,879 --> 02:06:26,579
an injury presumably when they were

2708
02:06:32,060 --> 02:06:28,889
rushing him through a house where he'd

2709
02:06:36,620 --> 02:06:32,070
never been to a waiting vehicle or he

2710
02:06:39,260 --> 02:06:36,630
did not sustain the victim injury

2711
02:06:42,979 --> 02:06:39,270
they were using the injury as a cover

2712
02:06:45,770 --> 02:06:42,989
story to prevent the press from getting

2713
02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:45,780
wind of the UFO event that had just

2714
02:06:51,050 --> 02:06:48,810
taken place or was in fact still taking

2715
02:06:54,050 --> 02:06:51,060
place over Phoenix that night

2716
02:06:57,140 --> 02:06:54,060
either either scenario is equally

2717
02:06:58,640 --> 02:06:57,150
logical in my mind that's right yeah the

2718
02:07:01,220 --> 02:06:58,650
timing if you actually look at the

2719
02:07:04,010 --> 02:07:01,230
timing of when he supposedly went down

2720
02:07:06,379 --> 02:07:04,020
and the the Phoenix lights I mean the

2721
02:07:07,490 --> 02:07:06,389
timing lines up perfectly from where he

2722
02:07:10,580 --> 02:07:07,500
was funny

2723
02:07:13,850 --> 02:07:10,590
Echo's four minutes yes right and then

2724
02:07:17,930 --> 02:07:13,860
one other question I had on that just it

2725
02:07:21,560 --> 02:07:17,940
seems to me that the military response

2726
02:07:23,600 --> 02:07:21,570
came uh it was remarkable that if the

2727
02:07:26,419 --> 02:07:23,610
8:30 sighting like when I see Mike

2728
02:07:28,760 --> 02:07:26,429
Fortson or Tim bleh or some of the 8:30

2729
02:07:33,620 --> 02:07:28,770
witnesses I mean they're very compelling

2730
02:07:37,220 --> 02:07:33,630
for the Phoenix light that the fact that

2731
02:07:39,979 --> 02:07:37,230
the military could work out some sort of

2732
02:07:43,610 --> 02:07:39,989
way to muddy the waters in just under

2733
02:07:46,310 --> 02:07:43,620
two hours and that they're so willing

2734
02:07:49,580 --> 02:07:46,320
and so capable to do that so quickly

2735
02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:49,590
what do you make of that yeah I agree

2736
02:07:57,200 --> 02:07:52,610
with you and I commend the caller for

2737
02:07:59,629 --> 02:07:57,210
his insight into what the military or

2738
02:08:04,070 --> 02:07:59,639
the government seems to be able to do in

2739
02:08:07,970 --> 02:08:04,080
fact it calls to mind it brings to my

2740
02:08:12,700 --> 02:08:07,980
memory a UFO that appears to have blown

2741
02:08:15,229 --> 02:08:12,710
up over Warren County Tennessee

2742
02:08:17,930 --> 02:08:15,239
McMinnville Tennessee not Oregon

2743
02:08:23,090 --> 02:08:17,940
McMinnville Tennessee on the 6th of

2744
02:08:28,040 --> 02:08:23,100
January 1995 within approximately 90

2745
02:08:30,890 --> 02:08:28,050
minutes people who identified themselves

2746
02:08:33,410 --> 02:08:30,900
as working for the US government were

2747
02:08:38,270 --> 02:08:33,420
knocking on people's doors in

2748
02:08:40,010 --> 02:08:38,280
McMinnville Tennessee in permission to

2749
02:08:42,950 --> 02:08:40,020
go on their property to look for

2750
02:08:47,410 --> 02:08:42,960
fragments of aircraft and aircraft that

2751
02:08:49,669 --> 02:08:47,420
had blown up I include that in

2752
02:08:52,910 --> 02:08:49,679
PowerPoint lecture when I'm talking

2753
02:08:56,649 --> 02:08:52,920
the data I've collected over the last 23

2754
02:08:59,989 --> 02:08:56,659
years but I agree with you entirely the

2755
02:09:02,239 --> 02:08:59,999
the flares over Gila been firing range

2756
02:09:05,660 --> 02:09:02,249
during the Phoenix lights event I think

2757
02:09:08,179 --> 02:09:05,670
was disinformation and I that's why at

2758
02:09:10,910 --> 02:09:08,189
the outset of this program I was very

2759
02:09:13,549 --> 02:09:10,920
cautious not to accept the US

2760
02:09:15,350 --> 02:09:13,559
government's explanation for the events

2761
02:09:15,979 --> 02:09:15,360
that occurred just less than two weeks

2762
02:09:20,359 --> 02:09:15,989
ago

2763
02:09:23,540 --> 02:09:20,369
all across twelve or fourteen states the

2764
02:09:26,689 --> 02:09:23,550
facts in the reports that we posted to

2765
02:09:28,819 --> 02:09:26,699
our website are not compatible with the

2766
02:09:33,140 --> 02:09:28,829
scenario that the US Air Force is

2767
02:09:36,129 --> 02:09:33,150
presenting interesting yeah I know yeah

2768
02:09:40,250 --> 02:09:36,139
the one other point you know the FAA the

2769
02:09:42,589 --> 02:09:40,260
f-18 pilots who went on CNN and and

2770
02:09:45,589 --> 02:09:42,599
talked and showed the film that they

2771
02:09:49,640 --> 02:09:45,599
took of the UFO West the San Diego the

2772
02:09:53,270 --> 02:09:49,650
other day they show that film the pilot

2773
02:09:56,870 --> 02:09:53,280
got over 3500 hours and then they say

2774
02:10:00,589 --> 02:09:56,880
but we canceled the program because

2775
02:10:04,069 --> 02:10:00,599
there's nothing to it it's really it's

2776
02:10:09,169 --> 02:10:04,079
really I don't there's just such a

2777
02:10:11,120 --> 02:10:09,179
disconnect there so anyway it's what it

2778
02:10:14,179 --> 02:10:11,130
tells us is the government is lined to

2779
02:10:16,219 --> 02:10:14,189
the American people on the subject of

2780
02:10:19,390 --> 02:10:16,229
UFOs and that takes us into a whole

2781
02:10:23,719 --> 02:10:19,400
whole different discussion in arena and

2782
02:10:27,500 --> 02:10:23,729
the ultimate question I ask is could it

2783
02:10:30,459 --> 02:10:27,510
be possible that the US government is in

2784
02:10:33,709 --> 02:10:30,469
one way or another or many ways perhaps

2785
02:10:36,199 --> 02:10:33,719
being influenced by the presence of

2786
02:10:38,899 --> 02:10:36,209
aliens on our planet I look at what the

2787
02:10:42,439 --> 02:10:38,909
US government is doing to the American

2788
02:10:45,439 --> 02:10:42,449
people as opposed to in my opinion for

2789
02:10:48,350 --> 02:10:45,449
the American people and I become start

2790
02:10:51,199 --> 02:10:48,360
becoming very uncomfortable like a 20

2791
02:10:53,540 --> 02:10:51,209
trillion dollar debt these are not

2792
02:10:56,660 --> 02:10:53,550
unintelligent people in Congress by any

2793
02:10:59,719 --> 02:10:56,670
means they're crap they know what

2794
02:11:02,179 --> 02:10:59,729
they're doing and there may be some very

2795
02:11:06,560 --> 02:11:02,189
good reason that they have taken this

2796
02:11:09,830 --> 02:11:06,570
into 20 trillion dollars of debt to

2797
02:11:11,390 --> 02:11:09,840
benefit their agenda and not benefit the

2798
02:11:12,620 --> 02:11:11,400
American people that worries me

2799
02:11:15,739 --> 02:11:12,630
profoundly

2800
02:11:17,750 --> 02:11:15,749
hey well thank you for the call all

2801
02:11:19,939 --> 02:11:17,760
right thanks guys good comments like

2802
02:11:23,120 --> 02:11:19,949
typically hat in your direction in

2803
02:11:26,899 --> 02:11:23,130
Vancouver thanks have a good night good

2804
02:11:29,719 --> 02:11:26,909
good night so anyone else wants to call

2805
02:11:33,679 --> 02:11:29,729
in we still have 15 minutes left that

2806
02:11:38,629 --> 02:11:33,689
number again is 603 nine six seven four

2807
02:11:41,419 --> 02:11:38,639
oh three oh so yeah I think you know the

2808
02:11:43,219 --> 02:11:41,429
Phoenix lights it was really great to

2809
02:11:45,459 --> 02:11:43,229
talk to you you know especially earlier

2810
02:11:49,339 --> 02:11:45,469
on when you were giving some details

2811
02:11:50,959 --> 02:11:49,349
because I had heard about that the the

2812
02:11:52,759 --> 02:11:50,969
pilot that went up and I heard he was

2813
02:11:56,419 --> 02:11:52,769
really shaken but I've never heard of

2814
02:11:58,839 --> 02:11:56,429
the details that you you gave you know

2815
02:12:01,339 --> 02:11:58,849
that's a lot of times I will talk about

2816
02:12:03,350 --> 02:12:01,349
what I think is you know the top 10

2817
02:12:06,939 --> 02:12:03,360
sightings and Phoenix lights is in that

2818
02:12:10,939 --> 02:12:06,949
in there you know kind of near the top

2819
02:12:14,029 --> 02:12:10,949
yeah another thing that I'd like to

2820
02:12:16,219 --> 02:12:14,039
point out as that object over Camelback

2821
02:12:19,159 --> 02:12:16,229
Mountain that I alluded to that was

2822
02:12:21,229 --> 02:12:19,169
intercepted by the two f-15s I took a

2823
02:12:25,100 --> 02:12:21,239
great deal of heat from the public

2824
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:25,110
affairs officer of Luke Air Force Base a

2825
02:12:40,040 --> 02:12:35,010
young woman who said Mr Davenport space

2826
02:12:44,029 --> 02:12:40,050
isn't exclusively an f-16 training base

2827
02:12:45,560 --> 02:12:44,039
and I said but lieutenant so-and-so I've

2828
02:12:50,839 --> 02:12:45,570
forgotten her name or she might have

2829
02:12:54,140 --> 02:12:50,849
been a captain you had f-15 fighters on

2830
02:12:58,339 --> 02:12:54,150
the ground on hot pads and that was the

2831
02:13:00,830 --> 02:12:58,349
reason those f-15s rather than 16s were

2832
02:13:03,890 --> 02:13:00,840
dispatched and I said moreover I have

2833
02:13:07,009 --> 02:13:03,900
reason to believe that those two f-16s

2834
02:13:10,189 --> 02:13:07,019
earlier in the day had been part of the

2835
02:13:12,620 --> 02:13:10,199
military flotilla that had accompanied

2836
02:13:14,419 --> 02:13:12,630
the president to Florida it's known as

2837
02:13:15,800 --> 02:13:14,429
the Air Force one an Air Force two

2838
02:13:20,270 --> 02:13:15,810
protection group

2839
02:13:22,850 --> 02:13:20,280
it's a very select group of aviators who

2840
02:13:24,920 --> 02:13:22,860
are dedicated to protecting the

2841
02:13:28,370 --> 02:13:24,930
president or vice president or any

2842
02:13:32,180 --> 02:13:28,380
dignitary when that person is in the air

2843
02:13:35,060 --> 02:13:32,190
and at that point as I recall the public

2844
02:13:38,510 --> 02:13:35,070
affairs officer stated that she had to

2845
02:13:40,520 --> 02:13:38,520
bow out of this program because the Air

2846
02:13:42,650 --> 02:13:40,530
Force won an Air Force two protection

2847
02:13:45,380 --> 02:13:42,660
group up to that point was a

2848
02:13:48,290 --> 02:13:45,390
little-known group and it's a group that

2849
02:13:51,410 --> 02:13:48,300
the Air Force did not talk about or

2850
02:13:55,160 --> 02:13:51,420
other military services oftentimes when

2851
02:13:57,920 --> 02:13:55,170
the president flies in an aircraft he is

2852
02:14:01,520 --> 02:13:57,930
accompanied by probably as many as six

2853
02:14:03,620 --> 02:14:01,530
aircraft oftentimes they're two from the

2854
02:14:07,880 --> 02:14:03,630
Air Force two from the Navy and two from

2855
02:14:11,000 --> 02:14:07,890
the Marine Corps in addition to probably

2856
02:14:13,700 --> 02:14:11,010
an AWACS which reaches out and can

2857
02:14:16,970 --> 02:14:13,710
detect for five hundred or a thousand

2858
02:14:19,130 --> 02:14:16,980
miles or even further any potential

2859
02:14:22,250 --> 02:14:19,140
threat to the president's aircraft and

2860
02:14:24,650 --> 02:14:22,260
when I mentioned this group the public

2861
02:14:27,680 --> 02:14:24,660
affairs officer suddenly didn't want to

2862
02:14:31,670 --> 02:14:27,690
talk about that incident anymore and I

2863
02:14:33,890 --> 02:14:31,680
think those f-15s were scrambled because

2864
02:14:36,440 --> 02:14:33,900
they were the only aircraft on the

2865
02:14:40,340 --> 02:14:36,450
ground at Luke Air Force Base that had

2866
02:14:44,810 --> 02:14:40,350
one the armament that they would want to

2867
02:14:47,770 --> 02:14:44,820
have intersecting intercepting a UFO

2868
02:14:52,730 --> 02:14:47,780
number two they had Lantern two pods

2869
02:14:55,670 --> 02:14:52,740
which is a low amplification navigation

2870
02:14:58,850 --> 02:14:55,680
pod it also has cameras in it which

2871
02:15:01,100 --> 02:14:58,860
allows the pilot to reach out and

2872
02:15:03,490 --> 02:15:01,110
photograph something I suspect they got

2873
02:15:06,770 --> 02:15:03,500
very good photographs of that UFO over

2874
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:06,780
Camelback Mountain using that lantern to

2875
02:15:15,230 --> 02:15:10,010
pod one of these slides I use in my

2876
02:15:17,600 --> 02:15:15,240
public presentation on the Phoenix

2877
02:15:20,120 --> 02:15:17,610
lights is a photograph of what a lantern

2878
02:15:24,980 --> 02:15:20,130
- pod looks like slung under the

2879
02:15:28,969 --> 02:15:24,990
starboard wing of an f15 or an f-16 so I

2880
02:15:33,279 --> 02:15:28,979
suspect that those two f-15s on hot pads

2881
02:15:36,379 --> 02:15:33,289
ready to launch at Luke Air Force Base

2882
02:15:39,049 --> 02:15:36,389
we're on hot pads because whenever the

2883
02:15:42,830 --> 02:15:39,059
president gets a sudden urge to get a

2884
02:15:45,640 --> 02:15:42,840
hamburger they have to be those fighter

2885
02:15:51,199 --> 02:15:45,650
pilots have to be ready to go at the

2886
02:15:53,299 --> 02:15:51,209
immediately and well enough set on that

2887
02:15:56,060 --> 02:15:53,309
incident I suspect there's a great deal

2888
02:15:58,129 --> 02:15:56,070
more to the Phoenix lights then the

2889
02:16:01,069 --> 02:15:58,139
government has revealed sure

2890
02:16:05,060 --> 02:16:01,079
now what about let's say what about

2891
02:16:09,169 --> 02:16:05,070
during this Stephenville Texas UFO

2892
02:16:12,020 --> 02:16:09,179
incident were you contacted on that mass

2893
02:16:14,500 --> 02:16:12,030
sighting as well yeah I was contacted

2894
02:16:17,919 --> 02:16:14,510
immediately by some of the witnesses who

2895
02:16:20,540 --> 02:16:17,929
described it in great detail

2896
02:16:25,029 --> 02:16:20,550
unfortunately I was out of town for one

2897
02:16:31,279 --> 02:16:25,039
night on January 8th that was 19 the

2898
02:16:33,410 --> 02:16:31,289
2008 2008 right yeah and I didn't get a

2899
02:16:35,929 --> 02:16:33,420
chance to talk to the Stevensville

2900
02:16:37,820 --> 02:16:35,939
witnesses until later but I had them on

2901
02:16:41,360 --> 02:16:37,830
several radio programs and they were

2902
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:41,370
very convincing and the fact that those

2903
02:16:44,780 --> 02:16:44,010
objects were very near President Bush's

2904
02:16:48,280 --> 02:16:44,790
ranch

2905
02:16:52,429 --> 02:16:48,290
mm-hmm explains why it was being chased

2906
02:16:56,330 --> 02:16:52,439
by f-16s it went over Stephenville going

2907
02:16:57,950 --> 02:16:56,340
to the generally the northwest seen by a

2908
02:16:59,929 --> 02:16:57,960
number of people who were about two or

2909
02:17:05,419 --> 02:16:59,939
three miles to the south of downtown

2910
02:17:08,269 --> 02:17:05,429
stevensville and a few minutes later as

2911
02:17:10,969 --> 02:17:08,279
they were as the witnesses were standing

2912
02:17:12,860 --> 02:17:10,979
they were tending a campfire at the time

2913
02:17:15,439 --> 02:17:12,870
they saw this object to the north of

2914
02:17:17,209 --> 02:17:15,449
them and it actually hovered over

2915
02:17:19,969 --> 02:17:17,219
Stephenville according to a number of

2916
02:17:22,450 --> 02:17:19,979
the witnesses but a few minutes after

2917
02:17:26,209 --> 02:17:22,460
they had seen it going to the north west

2918
02:17:30,610 --> 02:17:26,219
back it came even faster now being

2919
02:17:33,979 --> 02:17:30,620
pursued by two f-16s and when they saw

2920
02:17:36,110 --> 02:17:33,989
this group of aircraft in front of them

2921
02:17:38,809 --> 02:17:36,120
I think it was two f-16s I'm going on

2922
02:17:41,599 --> 02:17:38,819
memory while they were watching the

2923
02:17:42,270 --> 02:17:41,609
craft and the f-16s chasing it

2924
02:17:46,350 --> 02:17:42,280
the

2925
02:17:50,070 --> 02:17:46,360
suddenly accelerated and accelerated

2926
02:17:52,380 --> 02:17:50,080
away from the f-16 fighters so fast that

2927
02:17:55,050 --> 02:17:52,390
the visual impression that the witnesses

2928
02:17:57,270 --> 02:17:55,060
on the ground had was that it had left

2929
02:18:02,430 --> 02:17:57,280
the f-16s hovering motionless in the

2930
02:18:05,850 --> 02:18:02,440
night sky Wow but I'm I'm flabbergasted

2931
02:18:08,520 --> 02:18:05,860
that presidents are still saying they

2932
02:18:11,450 --> 02:18:08,530
want to know about UFOs they know about

2933
02:18:17,690 --> 02:18:11,460
them they've been been involved in

2934
02:18:21,000 --> 02:18:17,700
evacuations and scrambles of f-16s

2935
02:18:22,800 --> 02:18:21,010
presumably when the military detects

2936
02:18:24,870 --> 02:18:22,810
something in the president in the

2937
02:18:27,840 --> 02:18:24,880
vicinity of the president and they

2938
02:18:29,280 --> 02:18:27,850
scramble f-16s somebody bothers to pick

2939
02:18:31,650 --> 02:18:29,290
up the telephone and call the

2940
02:18:34,680 --> 02:18:31,660
president's entourage to let them know

2941
02:18:38,460 --> 02:18:34,690
what's going on they would have to said

2942
02:18:40,500 --> 02:18:38,470
because if they had fighter aircraft

2943
02:18:43,110 --> 02:18:40,510
passing overhead at high speed on

2944
02:18:44,970 --> 02:18:43,120
afterburner I think they would be a

2945
02:18:48,990 --> 02:18:44,980
little concerned if they didn't know the

2946
02:18:53,390 --> 02:18:49,000
reason for that scramble right right how

2947
02:18:55,830 --> 02:18:53,400
the you talk about the f-16s I've always

2948
02:18:58,650 --> 02:18:55,840
I've always thought those cases were

2949
02:19:02,880 --> 02:18:58,660
really fascinating where people will

2950
02:19:05,520 --> 02:19:02,890
report one being you know chased by one

2951
02:19:07,530 --> 02:19:05,530
or two you know military aircraft

2952
02:19:09,450 --> 02:19:07,540
there's a lot of them as a matter of

2953
02:19:11,190 --> 02:19:09,460
fact I have I've mentioned a couple

2954
02:19:12,600 --> 02:19:11,200
times on this show that I have a friend

2955
02:19:14,940 --> 02:19:12,610
that is actually on the Antiques

2956
02:19:16,650 --> 02:19:14,950
Roadshow that doesn't really want to

2957
02:19:19,410 --> 02:19:16,660
talk about he actually tried to call me

2958
02:19:24,900 --> 02:19:19,420
during his podcast just now about a half

2959
02:19:28,440 --> 02:19:24,910
hour ago but he had a sighting while he

2960
02:19:32,310 --> 02:19:28,450
was in college in amherst mass and the

2961
02:19:36,630 --> 02:19:32,320
thing was chased by you know fighter

2962
02:19:38,760 --> 02:19:36,640
jets and really it just shot off you

2963
02:19:40,560 --> 02:19:38,770
know it was an amazing sighting he told

2964
02:19:41,820 --> 02:19:40,570
me I was shocked that he told me the

2965
02:19:43,560 --> 02:19:41,830
story

2966
02:19:46,320 --> 02:19:43,570
he won't come on the air about it though

2967
02:19:50,220 --> 02:19:46,330
I've asked him well if he's listening

2968
02:19:53,551 --> 02:19:50,230
I'd point out to him that all those oral

2969
02:19:54,660 --> 02:19:53,561
accounts of UFO sightings are worth

2970
02:19:58,290 --> 02:19:54,670
nothing

2971
02:20:01,050 --> 02:19:58,300
you have to write down the details that

2972
02:20:04,590 --> 02:20:01,060
and preserve it in written form and

2973
02:20:06,600 --> 02:20:04,600
moreover convey it to an organization

2974
02:20:09,450 --> 02:20:06,610
like the national UFO Reporting Center

2975
02:20:12,450 --> 02:20:09,460
of which I am director or the mutual UFO

2976
02:20:15,179 --> 02:20:12,460
network get it in the hands of an

2977
02:20:17,940 --> 02:20:15,189
organization that can post it to a

2978
02:20:21,090 --> 02:20:17,950
website to let the world know about that

2979
02:20:24,660 --> 02:20:21,100
sighting and which can also compare this

2980
02:20:27,840 --> 02:20:24,670
new sighting with other sightings for

2981
02:20:30,240 --> 02:20:27,850
the same date or approximate date yeah

2982
02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:30,250
they have to be written down everybody

2983
02:20:35,640 --> 02:20:33,130
wants to chitchat about his UFO sighting

2984
02:20:39,060 --> 02:20:35,650
it's a waste of everybody's time in my

2985
02:20:41,010 --> 02:20:39,070
opinion and just a statistic I would

2986
02:20:43,920 --> 02:20:41,020
like to share with our audience if I may

2987
02:20:46,830 --> 02:20:43,930
Merton sure I estimate that out of

2988
02:20:49,770 --> 02:20:46,840
20,000 people in the United States adult

2989
02:20:52,440 --> 02:20:49,780
competent clear-thinking American people

2990
02:20:55,740 --> 02:20:52,450
with normal sensory perception who have

2991
02:20:59,310 --> 02:20:55,750
seen what they sincerely believe was or

2992
02:21:02,790 --> 02:20:59,320
could have been a UFO out of 20,000 such

2993
02:21:07,080 --> 02:21:02,800
cases only one of those people ever

2994
02:21:10,800 --> 02:21:07,090
comes forward one time to notice Wow so

2995
02:21:14,190 --> 02:21:10,810
we're getting one out of 20,000 reports

2996
02:21:16,530 --> 02:21:14,200
or witnesses to come forward and of

2997
02:21:19,679 --> 02:21:16,540
those people who contact the UFO Center

2998
02:21:22,260 --> 02:21:19,689
for example out of a hundred calls I get

2999
02:21:27,170 --> 02:21:22,270
of what I consider to be legitimate

3000
02:21:31,550 --> 02:21:27,180
reports of genuine UFOs only about 20 or

3001
02:21:35,340 --> 02:21:31,560
tragically only about 20 or 30 out of a

3002
02:21:39,270 --> 02:21:35,350
will follow up by submitting a written

3003
02:21:43,219 --> 02:21:39,280
report so we're getting out of a hundred

3004
02:21:47,460 --> 02:21:43,229
thousand of UFOs over the United States

3005
02:21:50,990 --> 02:21:47,470
we're getting only one written report

3006
02:21:53,610 --> 02:21:51,000
and it's just infuriating

3007
02:21:55,860 --> 02:21:53,620
to have people call this happened on the

3008
02:21:58,530 --> 02:21:55,870
night of December 9th the first guy to

3009
02:22:00,840 --> 02:21:58,540
call me has yet to submit a follow-up

3010
02:22:03,620 --> 02:22:00,850
report I've placed a dozen calls to his

3011
02:22:06,620 --> 02:22:03,630
number he never answers his number and

3012
02:22:08,460 --> 02:22:06,630
has not submitted a written report

3013
02:22:10,979 --> 02:22:08,470
drives me crazy

3014
02:22:15,179 --> 02:22:10,989
do you think that you know people start

3015
02:22:17,099 --> 02:22:15,189
thinking about a situation and say now I

3016
02:22:19,920 --> 02:22:17,109
don't want to get involved or you know

3017
02:22:20,279 --> 02:22:19,930
why do you think that happens I don't

3018
02:22:22,290 --> 02:22:20,289
know

3019
02:22:24,120 --> 02:22:22,300
I think prints of the principal reason

3020
02:22:28,710 --> 02:22:24,130
is Americans are lazy and they can't

3021
02:22:31,979 --> 02:22:28,720
write he makes me very angry we spend a

3022
02:22:34,349 --> 02:22:31,989
king's ransom on k-12 education and most

3023
02:22:37,649 --> 02:22:34,359
of them don't graduate and all of them

3024
02:22:42,269 --> 02:22:37,659
can't write a competent sentence and

3025
02:22:44,399 --> 02:22:42,279
they they have a repugnance to writing

3026
02:22:47,219 --> 02:22:44,409
they want to talk and chitchat and

3027
02:22:48,989 --> 02:22:47,229
gabble and babble about their citing

3028
02:22:51,149 --> 02:22:48,999
they'll say the same thing that they

3029
02:22:54,449 --> 02:22:51,159
want to emphasize six and eight times in

3030
02:22:57,000 --> 02:22:54,459
a conversation but they will not write

3031
02:22:58,889 --> 02:22:57,010
it down they'll talk for hours but they

3032
02:23:02,760 --> 02:22:58,899
don't have 15 minutes to write it all

3033
02:23:04,849 --> 02:23:02,770
down yeah yeah well yeah it's nothing

3034
02:23:09,620 --> 02:23:04,859
you can do to change that unfortunately

3035
02:23:14,300 --> 02:23:09,630
just the way things have have turned and

3036
02:23:17,010 --> 02:23:14,310
but you know I guess what has to happen

3037
02:23:19,590 --> 02:23:17,020
we see this with you know technologies

3038
02:23:22,469 --> 02:23:19,600
and stuff like that is everything kind

3039
02:23:25,739 --> 02:23:22,479
of has to adjust to how you know the

3040
02:23:28,800 --> 02:23:25,749
society is turning so the only there's

3041
02:23:31,130 --> 02:23:28,810
no real answer to writing down except

3042
02:23:34,559 --> 02:23:31,140
for someone leaving you know an audio

3043
02:23:37,469 --> 02:23:34,569
account you know of what they had but

3044
02:23:39,599 --> 02:23:37,479
then again you know you couldn't store

3045
02:23:43,590 --> 02:23:39,609
that type of thing yeah

3046
02:23:46,529 --> 02:23:43,600
well let it be said to that most people

3047
02:23:48,630 --> 02:23:46,539
read it 300 to 600 words a minute when

3048
02:23:51,479 --> 02:23:48,640
you talk you're talking about maybe 90

3049
02:23:54,599 --> 02:23:51,489
to 120 words a minute so the written

3050
02:23:57,179 --> 02:23:54,609
word is much much more efficient and it

3051
02:24:00,899 --> 02:23:57,189
records things and hopefully records

3052
02:24:04,559 --> 02:24:00,909
things in an organized fashion so it B

3053
02:24:09,090 --> 02:24:04,569
can be consumed by the reader in a

3054
02:24:11,550 --> 02:24:09,100
logical manner again talking to somebody

3055
02:24:13,319 --> 02:24:11,560
they they're emotionally involved

3056
02:24:17,790 --> 02:24:13,329
they haven't organized their thoughts

3057
02:24:19,349 --> 02:24:17,800
and they just spew a listener with

3058
02:24:21,900 --> 02:24:19,359
everything they want to say and

3059
02:24:23,969 --> 02:24:21,910
oftentimes do it several times

3060
02:24:28,050 --> 02:24:23,979
say the same thing over and over and

3061
02:24:31,110 --> 02:24:28,060
over again to emphasize it it's talking

3062
02:24:35,490 --> 02:24:31,120
is a very inefficient means of

3063
02:24:38,340 --> 02:24:35,500
communication and the written word is

3064
02:24:40,710 --> 02:24:38,350
much more reliable much more organized

3065
02:24:43,170 --> 02:24:40,720
and much more useful for a number of

3066
02:24:45,030 --> 02:24:43,180
purposes well speaking of that Peter

3067
02:24:47,760 --> 02:24:45,040
have you ever considered writing a book

3068
02:24:49,790 --> 02:24:47,770
on the UFO topic I'd love to write a

3069
02:24:52,950 --> 02:24:49,800
book there are several ideas I have

3070
02:24:55,620 --> 02:24:52,960
interestingly if I were to write a book

3071
02:24:58,050 --> 02:24:55,630
the first one would be about the

3072
02:25:01,170 --> 02:24:58,060
elements of human psychology that I have

3073
02:25:04,500 --> 02:25:01,180
been witness to as a UFO investigator

3074
02:25:07,800 --> 02:25:04,510
the things people say and do and believe

3075
02:25:12,480 --> 02:25:07,810
or don't say don't do and don't believe

3076
02:25:18,540 --> 02:25:12,490
would feel like encyclopedia I'm afraid

3077
02:25:21,630 --> 02:25:18,550
and seen some very peculiar facets to

3078
02:25:25,080 --> 02:25:21,640
human psychology as a human as a UFO

3079
02:25:27,420 --> 02:25:25,090
investigator there are a number of books

3080
02:25:30,060 --> 02:25:27,430
I would like to write my problem is this

3081
02:25:33,330 --> 02:25:30,070
Merton so our listeners understand my

3082
02:25:37,230 --> 02:25:33,340
situation a typical day I work two

3083
02:25:40,260 --> 02:25:37,240
shifts a day seven days a week every day

3084
02:25:45,179 --> 02:25:40,270
of the year to get the data that I have

3085
02:25:48,030 --> 02:25:45,189
on our website posted and it's one of

3086
02:25:50,880 --> 02:25:48,040
the reasons I'm so I get so annoyed at

3087
02:25:52,950 --> 02:25:50,890
people who can't take 15 minutes to

3088
02:25:56,730 --> 02:25:52,960
write down the details of their sighting

3089
02:25:59,639 --> 02:25:56,740
report I have very little sympathy for

3090
02:26:03,620 --> 02:25:59,649
them so okay Peter we're right at the

3091
02:26:06,450 --> 02:26:03,630
end of the show I so what happens when

3092
02:26:08,580 --> 02:26:06,460
say you're probably going to say you're

3093
02:26:10,170 --> 02:26:08,590
never going to retire but what happens

3094
02:26:12,360 --> 02:26:10,180
when you do retire

3095
02:26:16,860 --> 02:26:12,370
I think they'll carry me out on my

3096
02:26:19,320 --> 02:26:16,870
shields with my booth is there someone

3097
02:26:21,929 --> 02:26:19,330
else that can fill those big shoes of

3098
02:26:24,900 --> 02:26:21,939
yours how would you like to take over a

3099
02:26:27,450 --> 02:26:24,910
hot line it'll change your life I don't

3100
02:26:30,690 --> 02:26:27,460
know I struggle with that question every

3101
02:26:33,179 --> 02:26:30,700
day I would what I need is a staff and a

3102
02:26:36,031 --> 02:26:33,189
facility and a budget yeah and I've

3103
02:26:39,631 --> 02:26:36,041
tried for 23 years to fulfill that need

3104
02:26:43,261 --> 02:26:39,641
and I've been totally unsuccessful Wow

3105
02:26:45,720 --> 02:26:43,271
well Peter well I I and I know that a

3106
02:26:49,140 --> 02:26:45,730
lot of the listeners out there really

3107
02:26:52,711 --> 02:26:49,150
really appreciate what you do well thank

3108
02:26:55,770 --> 02:26:52,721
you and you know it's and also work yeah

3109
02:26:58,531 --> 02:26:55,780
some respects gratifying well I'm glad

3110
02:27:02,941 --> 02:26:58,541
I'm glad and also again the listener can

3111
02:27:04,981 --> 02:27:02,951
write at Martin at podcast UFO comm if

3112
02:27:07,321 --> 02:27:04,991
you have any ideas how to help Peter

3113
02:27:10,531 --> 02:27:07,331
stop all those prank calls and Peter I

3114
02:27:13,531 --> 02:27:10,541
hope that does I hope that stops and I

3115
02:27:15,361 --> 02:27:13,541
want to wish you happy holidays thank

3116
02:27:18,180 --> 02:27:15,371
you merry Christmas to you and do all

3117
02:27:20,011 --> 02:27:18,190
our listeners and we'll do this again

3118
02:27:22,081 --> 02:27:20,021
sometime Martin I sure hope so it's

3119
02:27:23,911 --> 02:27:22,091
always a great pleasure Peter take care

3120
02:27:25,291 --> 02:27:23,921
thank you very much for the air time

3121
02:27:30,301 --> 02:27:25,301
alright I've enjoyed it

3122
02:27:34,171 --> 02:27:30,311
great alright everyone so thank you very

3123
02:27:37,321 --> 02:27:34,181
much for listening and we'll be back

3124
02:27:39,571 --> 02:27:37,331
next week I want to thank everybody that

3125
02:27:40,531 --> 02:27:39,581
helped out with the show Kevin Randall

3126
02:27:44,581 --> 02:27:40,541
Alejandro Rojas

3127
02:27:47,551 --> 02:27:44,591
of course Peter Davenport and I have to

3128
02:27:51,751 --> 02:27:47,561
tell you next week is going to be the

3129
02:27:55,970 --> 02:27:51,761
weirdest show that I have done I don't

3130
02:27:58,501 --> 02:27:55,980
know how else to say it but I have a

3131
02:28:02,791 --> 02:27:58,511
movie producer he's going to be talking

3132
02:28:05,220 --> 02:28:02,801
about his his movie that has been

3133
02:28:07,350 --> 02:28:05,230
released it's called love and saucers

3134
02:28:09,081 --> 02:28:07,360
and it's going to be a weird one so

3135
02:28:13,731 --> 02:28:09,091
you're going to have to check it out and

3136
02:28:17,511 --> 02:28:13,741
again thanks so much and remember as

3137
02:28:19,861 --> 02:28:17,521
always have a wonderful holiday season

3138
02:28:22,461 --> 02:28:19,871
merry Christmas to those of you who

3139
02:28:24,841 --> 02:28:22,471
celebrate and keep your eyes to the sky

3140
02:28:31,340 --> 02:28:24,851
look for more than just Santa and the